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ya hopefully she was misquoted. yikes. i can see why people would hate/blame wade and james, i mean they did lie, one even had jobs all this time, etc etc.

yes there is good info there as well. it gets so confusing. but i just cant get over the whole grooming of parents, kids, the world, and sleeping in bed and traveling around with boys and then dumping them for another. that to me is abuse. and i didnt know chandlers father was recorded saying those things & then decades later kills himself. crazy. and this video talks about why the 2nd case didnt stick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q058VOUhGX0

yes. they need to express their disbelief (grieving of their idol etc) before confronting the truth. but also corrected when they believe false information. before, i didnt believe any of the allegations. i'm sure there were some that were trying to shake down jackson while others were abused *of course he isn't going to abuse every boy he comes across* ...but watching doc and esp. oprah it made me realize that he did groom he did manipulate he did use and all of that IS abuse. on top of the actual sexual abuse that happened behind closed doors. i used to believe the whole 'but his childhood' excuse...but Jackson's brothers/sisters didnt have that problem...and if it hurt him so bad why didn't he go to therapy for it? get help? it was obviously hurting his adult life.

pillow? lol she said her piece on it before right and she didn't believe it at all.

wow who paid for that? i always thought he didn't want to look like diana ross....he wanted to look like peter pan

Madonna needs to step up her streaming game!

every one held michael in high regards, so madonna isn't just one single performer who is sayng that - i mean, some artists have bought auction items and are wearing them around now....so

i'm suprised no one picked up on the 'yeeeesss' at 6:58

it made me think of my ban on r. kelly. and then what they had said to oprah....how Michael had already groomed them before ever meeting them...same could be said about r kelly - his fame, sexual music, videos, aaliyah, other girls helping him. with Michael it was his videos, fame, peter pan image, childhood trauma, the entire neverland ranch. not to mention after they meet they go to his house which is full of child toys!??!?!?

at the end of the day, him hanging with these little boys - he should have been doing that with actual grown women. befriending them, taking them all over the world, long phone calls, faxes, sleeping in bed together, saying 'i love you', meeting the family, presents, promises. as for that foundation it is part of wade's healing journey. i wish and pray james finds something to hang on to in all this as well.

THIS! through it i believed his innocence until i realized he was emotionally and mentally abusing these young boys. people in general. it goes against his "image" he liked to portray. a facade. then i seen the oprah interview. and they seemed so broken. broken people. and i knew.

OK just finished it all. oprah...at first i was like she's just siding and speaking for them...and i already knew what she was talking about the grooming and all of it well before this documentary. but half way through, i just believed them. even wade. they look so beaten down. wade had this emotionless armor on during the docu and almost entirely with oprah. my view of him changed when he said he had forgiven himself. he was in therapy and he did the work. so i could see how is stronger for that. i feel bad and worried for james, he seems so broken, has that child like scared-look in his eyes. now, what do i do with all this? i love MJ music etc. and years ago i dumped r kelly & chris brown for their actions. So now what?

I havent read all of your posts in this thread and came in near the end. i know your on the side of the victims. i get that. so i also have to assume, or ask, then that you are fine with people perjuring themselves in court, changing stories, wanting money, etc etc in a child molestation case - or any case in court? i still want to know of a child that has accused him WITHOUT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY. that would prove to me without a reasonable doubt that he did it. after all of this and researching best i can (i'm not a researcher but court papers are court papers) and there is still doubt. sorry.

Oprah Winfrey Says She Knows She'll Be Criticized for Hosting 'After Neverland' In https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/celebrity/oprah-winfrey-says-she-knows-shell-be-criticized-for-hosting-after-neverland-interview/ar-BBUlbcc?li=AAggNb9

what do you mean what do i mean 'known liars' lol something called perjury. i wonder what the FBI has to say about these 2 accusers?

watched Part I and it was like watching 'abducted in plain sight' all over again when it came to the adults involved. which got me thinking about all the adults/parents of these boys AFTER the chandler case. i mean, parents still threw their kids at r.kelly after his trial. anyway, what other child stars grew up to have children around them like this? and i felt so bad for these little boys because they would get replaced. it's fucked up to have children as your "companions' all the time. i tend to not believe wade but i lean more to believing the other guy. there is no denying that jackson did impose himself in these families and caused emotional and mental abuse - there is no excuse for that.

i totally disagree with any grown man sleeping in same bed with any child that is not their own or their family and their family ok'd it. but do i equate a grown man sleeping with boys with instant molestation. no. the parents, once they knew about it, they should have put a stop to it and left for good. yet people say it was because it was the fame that led the parents to think nothing of it - then so too could it be Jackson's fame (wealth) be a motive for false accusations. show me the boy & his family who didn't want a cent from Jackson who have said they molested him.

yes i know this isn't a source at all - but does bring up some points that need to be looked into - it also very disturbing and disgusting

i bring up money only in this case because it is a special case - and it was set up that way when MJ handed 24 million to chandler. also, are there therapists that could take the stand for these two new accusers now? or any treatment they had to go to because of the abuse? men's support groups? counseling? rehab? i'm throwing my two cents in because i want to know the truth too. but i am not going to just blindly believe two known liars who are suing for millions.

isnt The Onion satire? lol ok answer this - which child suing jackson or claiming abuse did NOT ask or accept money from him?

yes but the thing that makes Jackson's case murky is M O N E Y

i remember those "books" and how it was all twisted and some photos that were released were faked. i had read an article debunking radar online, not sure if this is the one: So the next question…why now? Well, that goes back to the close ties between Radar Online (formerly headed up by The National Enquirer’s Dylan Howard) and the attorneys of Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck, as well as a certain traitorous “friend” to the Jackson family, Stacy Brown, who has made a career off of peddling smut to the tabloids. Robson and Safechuck both have civil cases pending against the Michael Jackson estate, and Radar Online has become their ally and willing mouthpiece. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-child-porn-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8 and https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-artist-photo-michael-jackson-1.3651598

so it's totally true and people are out there selling their souls for money & jobs or it's false and people are out there selling their souls for money & jobs