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1 minute ago, Confessit said:
In America i completely agree she never fully recorvered from American Life although she did have huge commercial success with HC and C which produced 2 big top ten lead singles.
Her death elsewhere in the world was most certainly overnight.
I firmly believe she could of continued scoring hits elsewhere and having moderate success in America had she of remained with Warner’s.
I don’t believe the shes too old argument. She was 50 when she released Hard Candy.
But again "Hard Candy" had two highly sought out artists tied to the song at the time.. Timberlake and Timberland. I agree she jumped on that bandwagon a bit too late, but the fan bases played a huge role in making it a huge success. Madonna did a lot of promo before as well.
I'm not going to argue the age issue when I know it DOES play a factor in this. And no doubt, "the death" (as you put it), was much slower internationally. And I think I've and other clarified that to you, admitting she was still doing well internationally.
Though, I do not believe Warners (in American) would have made MDNA anymore successful when they failed to do much when she released follow up singles to Hard Candy and the whole CELEBRATION package. That should have been their last "Hurrah" for them, knowing they were able to capitalize on her whole back catalog up to that point.
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Just now, Confessit said:
American Life was very un-commercial for the states and everywhere else actually.
I love the album but after Ray of Light and Music it didn’t have the same level of commercial appeal, so I don’t think it’s Warner’s not supporting.
Madonna went out on a limb and recorded something far more avangarde....
Warners did give up after 4 minutes but they had already lost her to LiveNation so why bother !?
They did try to keep her but no way could they match the mega bucks LN were offering. I don’t blame Madonna for choosing that she had worked hard for 25 years what a major pay off that was!
But I don’t think she had any idea (who did!?) she would crash out the charts over night.
But it wasn't "over night". Radio was already trying to abandon her (in the U.S.) especially after "Music". Except in the big cities, "Die Another Day" was pretty much her last song that was played excessively on American radio. "Hung Up" was big in the big cities, but in middle America they refused to play it. In fact, I recall requesting the song many times on a local top 40 station, and they said "No" to me. I recall discussions back in the day in Madonna forums regarding the refusal of radio playing her songs. "4 Minutes" definitely was a comeback to radio, but let's be honest, if Timberlake and Timbaland wasn't part of it, it probably wouldn't have been given the time of day. And being the song had massive fans from three different artists here, no doubt it did well.
To me, this is a regional disagreement. We live in different parts of the world, so surely you saw more success out of Madonna in Europe than I did in the U.S. I remember being jealous that her songs were doing so well in Europe, but not in America.
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@MeakMakerr I agree with you regarding the Warner issue. No one is trashing Warners here. They were fantastic for her for much her career, But the last few albums with them (especially in the U.S.), Warners started to drop the ball on her. (In Europe, they were far more supportive of her, still). I also recall a lot of fans bashing Warners after American Life bombing and Hard Candy And Madonna and Warners seem to have a lot of differences. I mentioned it before, but I really felt the animosity between them when Warners wanted to release "Amazing" as a single and Madonna wanted to release "Impressive Instant". Instead, the fourth single was scrapped all together, and Madonna released "Impressive Instant" as a promotional club single since she had remixes made for the song. I also felt like they gave up after "4 Minutes" and refused to do much promotion for "Give it 2 Me". Madonna was doing her part, by rehearsing for her tour at the time.
The thing is; Warner had the chance to re-sign her. So while some say the "demand" was there for her (and I agree), Warners obviously didn't think the same. It was all business. Warners didn't want to shell out money to keep her. That's quite telling.
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1 hour ago, Confessit said:
A factual post.
Madonnas presence on the music landscape ended when she left Warner’s.
I wish she had stayed with Warner’s and just toured with LN.....couldn’t she of done all the products for them on the side as well??
Its a shame because it robbed her of at least another 10 years of chart hits.
Now at almost 60 I doubt she will ever have a top ten anywhere in the world again but she was having top tens globally in 2009....
God I had no idea back then celebration would be her last chart hit ever.
Sorry, I think her and Warners had a lot of animosity for some time before they parted ways. I felt they lacked the support to her as well. I know she didn't agree with them regarding single choices. It's one of the reasons why she bailed on releasing anymore music from "Music" album. They wanted "Amazing" and she wanted "Impressive Instant".
Unfortunately, Interscope hasn't done her any favors either, but I am not sure if she's bothered by it. The deal was for distribution. I'm not sure if they were obligated to do anymore. I would think they would want to be more invested in such an artist, but it's obvious that Madonna wasn't in their age bracket.
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21 minutes ago, tasteinmen said:
I'm literally expecting zero from Interscope, they did minimal with her last 2 albums, and with this being her last album with them I wouldn't be surprised if it's just released and nothing else after. It doesn't seem there's been a good relationship there.
Totally agree regarding Interscope. At this point, It's pretty much up to Madonna to push the singles. I still don't expect it will help a lot being she still needs her distributor and mainstream platforms to support her. The first single will probably gain some attention, especially with a great video. After that, I expect she'll focus on touring the album.
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1 hour ago, Confessit said:
I hope we get at least 2 singles before the album drops, I look at the volume of material released by many today and it’s vast and really helps drive sales ahead of an album release.
Sometimes it’s like she is stuck in a time warp and still releasing like its 1999.
Personally, I don't think she's stuck in any "time warp". Singles are usually to generate interest to an album. Most fans will buy the album, so it's basically marketing to those who are on the fence. It would be easier for her if she had the support of the music industry and radio. But it seems there is a hang up on her age.
I don't get the whole "streaming" nonsense. I want to physically own her stuff, not go to some website to stream what's up in the cloud. I guess those days are gone. Maybe I'm stuck in a "time warp". LOL!
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I'd love to see four or more singles. Rebel Heart had plenty of single material. But that ship has sailed. Unfortunately, I think her days of releasing multiple singles are over. I miss the good ol' days where releasing a Madonna single was an event.
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12 minutes ago, Nikki said:
Which is why I think her fans right now should be a little nicer. She’s obviously saying things that she feels strongly about. I think people are misunderstanding something she said that she meant with good intentions. I think she’s not feeling great and sometimes fans forget she’s human. Her texts online are messy just like they are with many people who use autocorrect and cellphones.
Totally agree. Ripping into her because she uses the wrong "there/their/they're" is silly. Even the most grammatically correct person is capable of using the wrong words or misspelling, especially when you're quickly firing off a message in a text or on social media. Most people don't think about it that much, yet doesn't mean they don't know how to spell or use the proper word. I'm sure everyone of us at one point or another have typed something on social media or within a text, and even read through it once or twice, only to come back later to see that you made a silly spelling error or used the wrong word. Wrong word usage is quite common for many, and most times it's not done because one doesn't know better.
As for the context of the message, I agree that if this is something she wrote, then I think her intention is being misconstrued by some. But without being there, seeing her face expression or allowing her to further explain what she meant, it's easy to twist something she said into something she didn't mean to say.
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6 minutes ago, Kim said:
Well that's certainly a very simplistic and frankly insulting to the victims of suicide... way to look at it I suppose.
That wasn't my intention. Sorry you interpreted it that way!
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Just now, Mat.Guy said:
She wrote it there instead of their. It's her.
Possibly her text rant!
And I understand the "suicide" reference. People build themselves up this fantasy world where they have to do very minimal, yet expect they are owed so much more. Once that implodes they don't know how to deal with it.
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8 hours ago, CalinB said:
What is this about? Is M angry?
I don't believe for a second these are lyrics by her. I think this is just a screen cap of someone's text rant (note time stamps) which she seems to relate to.
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3 hours ago, Suedy said:
If the tour is summer 2019 then I won't be surprised if the album comes out spring 2019
Trolldonna really needs to stop spilling the beans about her creative process on Instagram because all she is doing is encouraging leaks & potentially sabotaging her own album
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If she's sitting on this until 2019 then gurl bye.
I don't think she's going to sit on it. My thoughts:
1. Release album Fall 2018 - Do Some promo.
2. Direct film end of 2018 into 2019 or the start of 2019
3, Rehearse Tour late spring/early summer '19
4. Tour Late summer throughout the rest of '19 (If there is any truth of her searching dates for France in Oct. 2019, then this makes sense)
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LOL! @ all the guesses regarding her and Mirwais' tags. But I guess that's what makes this all fun for us fans while we wait patiently for her to finish the album.
I feel "Disco God" refers to Mirwais known persona as a musician and not necessarily reference to the direction of the album. Though, it might mean the two created some killer dance tracks as well.
As for his comment regarding Madonna: "Some still sings -My way-. But The Hyper talented Madonna has A Method. A New Method." I'm sure he means that he's used to working with people who sing it "his way", but Madonna has her own ideas and he's obviously surprised even after working with her on three different albums, she continues to surprise her with new ways in approaching music.
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57 minutes ago, tuckeye said:
lol no shit "it will happen when it happens" your just pressed because u want it to be music related? lol i dont know BUT
i wish it was a klein music video! and absolutely zero information leaked about it being a music video shoot. that would be heaven! we need a big surprise launch.
You sound more pressed by your vulgar reaction.
That said, I agree with you regarding the Klein video and having a "surprise" launch!!
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3 hours ago, tuckeye said:
basically all this steven klein stuff is for skin line.
time is money madonna! we would seriously know if she was to film a music video. so we're still a bit aways. sigh.
Would we? We've known she's done something with Klein for a couple of months now. Meanwhile, we've had many MDNAskin adverts pop up. None have pointed to Klein. Yet, we still have been in wonderment of what this is all about. So no, I don't think "we would seriously know if she was to film a music video", when much of the time we didn't even know about the skinline adverts being filmed either until Madonna shared them.
Maybe it is for the skinline? No one knows. But some are writing down their opinions as if it's absolute certainty. I think we need to chill and stop "reaching" for any little tag as if that relates to the release of new music. It'll happen when it happens.
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39 minutes ago, Cyber-Raga said:
Well, it’s the director’s job to see the movie through from casting until post-production which is why she would not be finished with the movie once the principal photography is done.
At this point it is not certain if she will direct her new movie next year. Plans can change, especially in Hollywood.
Yes, but again this could only take a few months and she's done. I'm sure she will have a say to certain things before the principal filming begins, but a lot of that could be going on as we speak.
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7 minutes ago, tasteinmen said:
Why would she break up the album era like that?
I’m sure she will release the album, singles, videos, some promo, then tour, and when she wraps the tour then she’ll start thinking about the film.
If her plan isn't to tour until next summer/fall, then she has loads of time in between to direct. That of course, is if the film is ready to be filmed by this winter or the start of next year.
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44 minutes ago, Cyber-Raga said:
directing can be done in a relatively short period of time. Editing, sound mixing, etc. is what takes most of the time and takes months and months and months.
If is scheduled to direct next year, no way in hell will she first shoot the film and then go on tour and then edit the movie. If she even tours this new album and if she is indeed slated to direct next year, then a tour must happen before principal photography of her new flick.
I was under the impression she simply was directing the film, nothing else? Like you mentioned, directing can take a few short months.
I still think she plans to release the album this fall and then will start directing the film by the end of this year or the beginning of next. By Spring she could be rehearsing and by late summer into the fall she can start touring.
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1 minute ago, Confessit said:
Ordinarily I would agree but not with directing commitments next year.
First the music then a tour then she can be free for the studio to direct.
She's probably going to drop the album this fall. Do some promotion. Direct her film and then head out on tour.
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14 hours ago, Lucky Star One said:
Some of the videos have a filter on them to make the video appear to be "old timey" film footage. Like suggesting that they are from a while back. It's possible, I guess.
Oh, I didn't mean because of the "filter" she used. I know that's just a silly filter. I'm just thinking (and I'm probably totally off) that she might not be posting some of these videos when she's in the studio until a later of date, misleading people to think she's currently working in the studio the day she posts them. It's just an idea since it seems her posts are all over the place and quite vague.
3 hours ago, yououghttavogue said:OMG I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT.... the time frame is just so all over the place... she said she was finishing a few weeks ago but now but it appears that she is still writing/composing.
Again, it's just a silly notion I have. It's probably not even close to the truth. Though, I don't recall her saying she was actually finished a few weeks ago?
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14 minutes ago, yououghttavogue said:
If she's still writing/creating music, what does this mean for the time frame? She still has to complete production, mix the album, do the cover art... it could be a WHILE. Erghh
One thought that has cross my mind is that maybe she's posting Studio footage (like she's done today) which was actually recorded long ago. It would be a clever way to keep people guessing. People thinking she's in the studio, when in reality, she's about to drop the album.
Nah... that's just silly wishful thinking. So "Bride of Amazement" may be MDNA skin related or possibly she's planning to release a finished song ahead of the album. That's not an uncommon thing to do. Many artists do that anymore. They'll release a song or two before the album is finished.
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28 minutes ago, Flip The Switch said:
Yaaaas!
I'm betting this phrase has something to do with Mary Oliver's poem which has inspired in some way:
When Death Comes
by Mary OliverWhen death comes
like the hungry bear in autumn;
when death comes and takes all the bright coins from his purseto buy me, and snaps the purse shut;
when death comes
like the measles-pox;when death comes
like an iceberg between the shoulder blades,I want to step through the door full of curiosity, wondering:
what is it going to be like, that cottage of darkness?And therefore I look upon everything
as a brotherhood and a sisterhood,
and I look upon time as no more than an idea,
and I consider eternity as another possibility,and I think of each life as a flower, as common
as a field daisy, and as singular,and each name a comfortable music in the mouth
tending as all music does, toward silence,and each body a lion of courage, and something
precious to the earth.When it’s over, I want to say: all my life
I was a bride married to amazement.
I was the bridegroom, taking the world into my arms.When it is over, I don’t want to wonder
if I have made of my life something particular, and real.
I don’t want to find myself sighing and frightened,
or full of argument.I don’t want to end up simply having visited this world.
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Even if it's just for one song, it's great to see she's bringing in a contemporary Portugal singer for her new album. Exciting, indeed!
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Since her singles don't chart anymore, it's not an impossibly idea, but I think the first single is inevitable. At this point, "a surprise release" is no longer possible since everyone knows she's working on an album.
So I predict we'll be getting this album this fall. Sounds like a team is with her doing some shoot for the album/video (at least I hope and it's not just for MDNAskin again).
I hope the first video will feature a lot of on location shots of Lisbon and/or the country side. But I guess it depends on the song as well.