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  1. Unfortunately, she is getting a pass on this. I agree it's quite tone deaf to wear this even if she really was wearing it to send a message to the press. It appears she's worn it again today.
  2. WOW! So I purposely chose a FOX report on this to see their point of view: So if anyone is trying to say, "let's focus on the issues, not her wardrobe", then why the hell wear something that says something like that. I mean, c'mon? What do you think people are going to think after what's gone down with the Immigration issue: Children being taken away from their parents? You can't expect people aren't going to NOT say anything about this. Who goes around wearing something like that if they don't want people to talk about it? Up until now, I just thought Melania was just a naive puppet in all of this, but no more.
  3. The extreme right will say just about anything won't they? Ann Coultier (vile woman) claims the children are all "actors". Maybe she needs to visit these facilities to see for herself this is real. Knowing her, she will still claim it's all fake. Idiots!!
  4. Yep! He's left people outraged, blaming the Democrats, so he can swoop in and claim he's fixed it. When all he's going to do is follow the same policy that was in place before without separating the children. And his dulltard of followers will eat it up! #trumpforpesident2020 I think I'm gonna be sick!!
  5. The resistance is building. Let's hope those who have short attention spans stick with it and not bashed protesters. Also, I hope the protests are peaceful or it will defeat the purpose. No doubt, there will be some who will rip into the protestors anyway.
  6. Unfortunately, that's him in a nutshell. When I heard him stand there and tell reporters that it's "all on the democrats" and make the excuse "10 democrats" are keeping this from changing, I thought, what a load of Bologna! And any humane person could see by blaming this on the previous administration is pure nonsense since the previous administration did not cage and separate the children from their parents. This is all a game to him. It's sick and it sickens me to know some are defending it, thinking this is the way to go to "make America great again!" Ugh!! It was far greater than what is now before that blowtard entered the White House!!
  7. Speaking as an American, much of the country is disgusted and outraged over this. Unfortunately, this asswipe of a president wants to stand there and point fingers at the Democrats, while acting like he has no power to change it. "It's all on the "Democrats", he says. 10 fucking Democrats are keeping it from being changed. Trump and his minions are sticking to that story, claiming they are following a law that's been put in place by the previous administration. Okay, so if that's true, then why is it now we're caging and separating the children from parents? Under the previous administration, a lot of people were kicked out the country, but there was no separating families and caging kids! I call it pure political bullshit. This is definitely on Trump and his goofy ass policy, so he can play the blame game and continue to smear the opposing party. You can't tell me a man (and his joke of a lawyer) who claims to have the power to pardon himself or get away with shooting someone in the middle of the street, can't fix this? This is beyond Party lines. This is cruel and inhumane. It sickens me to see anyone who defends Trumps words over this (and almost anything else he spills from his mouth). I do know that some of the most powerful Republicans are working hard to turn this around. That's a good sign, but for now it's not good enough!! A part of me really feels that before things get better, it has to get worse. I feel we're at our worst. I'm ashamed of what this country has become. I don't recognize what it's become. I know a lot of people like me are on the right side of the fence, but it seems no matter how much we vote, voice our opinions and protest, we're just kicked in the face and told to "shut the hell up, snowflake!". And I'm not naive, a lot of this country came about because of political greed and corruption. But enough is enough!
  8. You know what? I'm all for one expressing their opinion on a public forum, but it's pretty safe to say when you enter a community called MADONNANATION, it's expected you're gonna get some opposition from fans who question your motives and why you come here (with very few posts, I might add) and seem to be pointing out the negatives about Madonna rather your appreciation. Of course, I don't expect any fan to love everything she does, but it's just a bit peculiar that someone with less than 30 post (at the time of the post I'm quoting), has done more criticizing Madonna's career. And yes, you implied I was trying to shame you for enjoying ROL, LAP and EROTICA. Yet, you turn around and pretty much did the same by stating that you're not some "brainwashed idiot" fan. You can say it was a general response, but again, the purpose of saying that was for what? Also, all your posts seem to keep criticizing Madonna while subtly making digs at her fans. Hmmm?
  9. Note BOLD, I stopped right there because I am not sure why that was even brought up. I never and I don't think anyone in this thread was talking about loving everything she did. In fact, I have said in this very thread how I am not a big fan of Erotica, but recognize her song writing talent on that album. And I never said anyone should be ashamed for liking any album. Seems you're reading more into than what I said. But isn't that a bit hypocritical of you to even bring up since the part I bolded, you went on this rant about not loving everything she does and insinuating some of us are "brainwashed idiots" for being devoted fans?? Who is doing the "shaming" again?? The fact is you don't know anymore than the rest of us how much more effort and time she put into the last two albums compared to past albums. Just because you dislike an album of hers, doesn't mean she spent less time and effort on it.
  10. Yeah, we sure wouldn't want her to go back to rhyming her lyrics and metaphores like she did in Lucky Star Holiday Live To Tell Where's The Party Vogue Into the Groove the whole Erotica album. and the list goes on....
  11. That's what I'm saying. It astounds me that some people actually think she put little effort in MDNA and HARD CANDY when as you pointed out, she has a lot input in those songs you mentioned. Madonna has never been an artist that just puts out one kinda sound. And just because she teams up with even a Sound of the moment, doesn't mean she's relinquished all her inputs to these people. Certainly, she's in control. I'm not a huge fan of the Erotica album, but I also know she wrote a lot on that album. It's the sound that I am not fond of, but yet there are a number of songs I do love on that album, but. Just because it didn't become a huge record like her past albums, makes me think she didn't put much effort in it. For some reason, I'm getting the impression once some fans think the album didn't perform well, it must mean she quickly slapped the album together with no effort, when in truth, MDNA and HARD CANDY were created within the same time frame of a number of her most popular albums.
  12. Oh c'mon now? And you were there to know that she didn't? I am not the one who is claiming she doesn't put any effort in her albums. I'm also not claiming I was there to know how much effort she does put in her album. I just find it absurd for any Madonna fan to really think, knowing her 30 year history in conceiving albums, that she actually goes in to make an album with very little effort. Hard Candy is heavily criticized by some fans as an album she didn't put much effort in. Yet, Justin Timberlake vouched for what other producers have said of Madonna that she came in with journals of written stuff and had a lot of input in her songs. And the fact she's splitting her time between recording an album and other things, do you really think that's new? In fact, if I recall correctly, Madonna had already started working on the LIKE A PRAYER album when she was on Broadway doing 'Speed The Plow'. What about when she filmed "Desperately Seeking Susan"? She was filming that movie while working on LIKE A VIRGIN. What about the EROTICA album? She put together a sex book and was filming "Body Of Evidence" all at the same time? My point is, Madonna has always multi-tasked. She's never just locked her self in a studio to only concentrate on recording an album. She's always been doing other projects near and around making music during her whole career. She's always had songs just handed to her where very little lyrics changes were made. "Papa Don't Preach"??? But it doesn't change the fact that she has put a lot more input in other songs whether handed to her or not.
  13. You're right.... she's just a horrible song writer.... Lucky Star Holiday Borderline Into The Groove Live To Tell Vogue Like A Prayer (and most of the album of the same name) Express Yourself Music (and most of the album of the same name) Take A Bow Most of the Ray of Light Album Wow, just a horrible song writer. How the hell did she even become the music icon she is??
  14. See, I don't get when people say she hasn't put much effort in certain albums? I think that's just an absurd statement to make for those who aren't really into Madonna much anymore. It's like you seem to think you were there when she was making these albums and just laid around the studio letting people hand her songs, without any input. That's just bull! Just look at the song "Gang Bang". We all heard the earlier version. And then there's the album version. Madonna's input on all her albums have pretty much been the same from the beginning of her career. She has someone who comes up with the music while she usually writes lyrics. From there she works with the writer and/or producer and refines the sound of the song until it works for her. Several of the songs from Like a Virgin were songs handed to her. For instance "Like A Virgin", the song that catapulted her to a phenomenon. She didn't write that or even come up with that song. But she embraced it and molded it to fit her. "Papa Don't Preach" was handed to her, but do you think she put no effort in that song either? What about "La Isla Bonita"? Oh wait, are you a "Ray of lighter"?? What about "Ray of Light"? I just want to know how you seem to be so sure Madonna didn't put much effort in her last two albums simply based on the fact, you didn't like the direction of it personally? Because that's what I think it comes down to certain people who keep saying "Madonna put no effort in the album" or "she phoned it in". That's just ridiculous, and any fan from the early days will tell you, Madonna isn't the type of artist who lets her producers to take complete control. How do you not know Madonna didn't go into the studio with the mind set that she wanted Hard Candy to have the Timbaland/Timberlake style? I mean why else would she work with them? I will agree that she probably was two years too late to go that route, but obviously that was her choice. But then we have a song like "Beat Goes On" and again we all heard the demo of that, and then the album version There was a huge difference between the demo and final product. Yet, you still think she put LITTLE effort in it? C'mon please? Of course, she accepts songs from other artists/producers/writers, but that isn't anything new. She's been doing that all her career.
  15. Well, we can argue back and forth if she's "being herself" or not and she needs to do more songs like this and that, but I became a fan early on in her career. It was light and fun songs with not much profound lyrics that hooked me to Madonna... "Lucky Star", "Holiday", "Everybody", "Burning Up" and "Into The Groove" anyone. Most of her songs loved by the general public are those earlier songs. But of course, she has had many great songs enjoyed by the public that had much more to it than just fun frivolous lyrics such as "Live To Tell", "Papa Don't Preach", and "Like A Prayer". All in all, she's always given us a mix balance of that for each album. And I agree, Madonna has always been herself. Yes, she's matured a lot with her music, but she hasn't lost that fun side of her that I remember falling in love with in the 80's. Do I want her to repeat that? No. I want her to do what she wants to do whether it's fun or serious. The fact is, the general public has issue with 55 year old women still having fun like Madonna does. But to say she's not acting her age, is just ridiculous since her draw to social causes have been more and more prevalent. When she started out, it was usually all about her, but you can tell that she's matured and her kids and her causes are just as important to her, if not more. It seems to me that Madonna isn't the problem here. It's societies views of how a 55 year old woman should be acting. Who makes these rules??
  16. I actually agree. And I really don't have a problem with her working people in the past. I guess what humors me is the many fans who insist she work with this person or that person, hoping to create some new and fresh sound, yet beg for her to work with people she's worked with before in the same breath. Whether it's someone new or old, it never guarantees she's going to produce something to everyone's liking. And the proof is... almost every album she's produce (especially more of late) there is always a mix reaction from fans. I keep going back to "Celebration" and remember the uproar from many fans who didn't like the song because it sounded dated. The same goes for "Girl Gone Wild" and "Turn Up The Radio" and these songs involved newer people. Yet, two of the most loved songs on MDNA ("Falling Free" and "Love Spent") did include older collabs. But then again, we have another much fan favorite "I'm Addicted" which was co-written with same people who wrote/produced "Girl Gone Wild".
  17. Not intended specifically at you, but I don't understand the idea of fans wanting her to work with people she's worked with in the past? I remember distinctly when the song 'Celebration' came out, many fans were ripping it to shreds because it sounded too much like something she did already. So why would one want her to go back to someone she's worked with before, chancing she's going to just reproduce a sound she's already done? I know many people were excited when they heard William Orbit came back on board for MDNA, but it certainly didn't recreate the same vibe RAY OF LIGHT had. I guess what confuses me is the contradiction within a lot of fans. Many say they want her to work with someone new and/or fresh and when she does, they criticize it for sounding dated... (Girl Gone Wild & Celebration anyone?). And then fans say they want her to work with these people she worked with before such as Pat Leonard, thinking they are gonna be able to come up with something different? I'm not saying it's not entirely possible. It's just if one doesn't want her to chance of creating or recreating something that is dated, why would they want them to go back to that same person who helped her produce or create that sound? For me, I honestly don't care who she gets. I can say that I've enjoyed more of her work than not. She hasn't disappointed me. I don't think working with someone in the past or someone new, makes a big difference. In the end, she can create a fantastic album, ahead of it's time, but it doesn't necessarily mean it will guarantee a hit. And I know that if an album and the singles don't get mainstream success, there will be many fans jumping on that wagon of how it's accepted by the public. Face it, more than likely any future Madonna album whether it's great in our eyes or not, will never surpass or equal the same success some of her most successful albums. And for me, a great album isn't measured by how many top 40 hits it generates or if it gets radio airplay. I leave that to the youngsters who think radio plays great music, when in most cases, the music industry/radio dictates what are hits which is again geared toward the youth.
  18. Please, I welcome the thought of eating my words. I would love for her to smash big again, but let's be realistic as well. And while I do think she's always thinking outside the box, it's gonna take something extremely unexpected (even from her) to gain mainstream attention. The positive, she does have a big enough fan base, that her albums will always come out on top at least the first week of release.
  19. I have to agree with you. All this speculation of what she should have done, doesn't mean she would have faired any better by releasing other songs as singles. I keep reading, she needs to do songs with "substance", etc., but much what is popular now are frivolous pop songs. It's easy for fans to say our favorite songs would have done better, but I don't believe it would have made much of a difference. I think as you said, thinking she's gonna hit big with commercial success is probably not gonna happen again. Music is dominated by youth. People are stuck on that as unfortunate as it is. What I do know is that Madonna has done so much that whatever she does at this point, will manage decent attention and decent sales, but expecting her to keep up with how these younger acts are doing it, is purely dreaming. There are very few 50 year old acts that are getting half the attention Madonna gets now. I don't see Madonna desperate for a hit. I think she's just gonna beat to her own drum as she has always.
  20. I think the fans expect far too much and put too much thought into all this. I can bet Madonna isn't sitting back, thinking how she will make her next comeback to the music scene. In fact, I think she's beyond that. Yes, I am sure once she gets an album together, then she may think of how to make a splash with it, but I don't think it will be to the degree most fans are thinking now. I personally believe she will go right on tour once the album is released since she doesn't really have much backing in the mainstream media to get her songs played. As a business woman, she will look at what will generate the most money and that will most likely be a huge tour and/or some tie ins with products/ads/television/films. Her contract is with LIVE NATION and she is obligated to that and they will expect a high return. The best way to do that is go back on the road. I predict a lot of meltdowns with this next album because she won't have a hit single. Fans will bitch again that the wrong single was released. Fans will bitch because most likely she isn't going to go all out in promotion (other than her World Tour) as she can't keep spending money on free promos shows, huge promotion on singles and/or videos when none of them will generate revenue for her. All I can say is that I just enjoy the ride. I don't question how she does it or what could have been. It doesn't change the fact that I love her music and she knows how to put on a hell of a show.
  21. I don't hate it either. In fact, I absolutely love the main chorus: "Still/And Yet... I have no regrets Cause I survived the biggest test I cannot lie and I won't pretend But I feel like I lost my very best friend" I just don't really like the over all production of the song.
  22. Wait, I am not talking about GMAYL. I'm talking about Gang Bang as a "radio song/single". Those are two totally different type of songs. In fact, GMAYL did get radio exposure. That's how it reached #10. I'm not debating what is or isn't the weakest songs/singles. I'm discussing the fact that radio won't touch Gang Bang. It has nothing to do if I think the song is weak or not. I think Gang Bang is far superior than GMAYL, but that still doesn't mean the song will work on radio and resonate with the general masses. As stated before, the purpose of a single is to appeal to the general masses. This is why most successful entertainers, pick "radio friendly songs". And yes, GMAYL and GIRL GONE WILD are typical radio song. But if you want to debate why GMAYL (and GGW) isn't being successful on radio... "Let's not kid ourselves"... top 40 radio is geared to a younger audience. Madonna doesn't fit into that audience anymore. High praise from "critics" doesn't automatically assume the song would be great as a "single" or on "radio". It just means; it's an overwhelming great album song that is highly appreciated. In fact, I do recall reading reviews of the album where a lot of praise went to Gang Bang, but it never was mentioned it would work as a single or on radio.
  23. Funny you say that. You're right "let's not kid ourselves". You're basing "everyone" praising GB on whom? Critics and fans? Because those are the people mostly praising it. And please spare me the nonsense... "I played it for my friend (or whomever) and they love it". That very well may be true, but I'm sure that "friend" or whomever aren't really into Top 40 music or what's on the radio either. Mark my words, GB will not resonate with the general public. In fact, many will go "What the fuck?" It's too gritty and violent. It isn't Madonna usual style. Radio won't touch it. "Let's not kid ourselves!"
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