elijah
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18 minutes ago, Nessie said:
Here is the list:
1948-1960 - Italy
1949 Syria
1949--1953 Albania
1953 Iran
1954 Guatemala
1957-1958 Indonesia
1959+ Cuba, Cambodia
1960 Congo
1961 Dominican
1963 Vietnam
1964 Brazil
1965-66 Indonesia
1971 Bolivia
1970-73 Chile, Irak
1976 Argentine
1979 Salvador, Lebanon
1979-89 Afghanistan
1980-82 Angola
1983 Grenada
1981-87 Nicaragua, Lybia
1989 Panama
1892 Chad
1990-91 Irak I
1993 Somalia
1995 Yugoslavia (the Lewinski distraction)
2001 Afghanistan
2003 Irak II
2001-2014 Ethiopia, Kenya, Liberia, Mauritius, Rwanda, Tanzania, Uganda, Algeria, Cameroon, Burkina Faso, Mali, Mauritania. Morocco, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Tunisia, Mali, Philippines, Kyrgyztan,
2009 Colombia
2011 Lybia
2013-14 ISIS
2014 Ukraine - Maidan Revolution
2019 Iran - Iranian general Soleimani
2021 Mozambique
And more to come!Again, the fact that US bombed a country doesn't excuse Putin bombing Ukraine. Please stay on the subject: Ukraine. As for Maidan riots: I do not think it was caused by US. I think not ratifying EU Association agreement was enough reason for the protests. Ukraine borders several EU states: Ukrainians are seeing that the EU countries are better off than Ukraine since joining EU. Half of Ukraine lives in EU. I d say wanting better economic life is a reason enough for those protests. Were they aided by US/EU? Sure. But I d really wanna see the logic to equate today RU aggression to Maidan protests. Its laughable. I have no time to check your lists, but if the examples are like Maidan protests... Well, its a joke list I guess?
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16 minutes ago, LSD said:
Disgusting. I wanna hear how Biden is EQUALLY responsible.
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1 minute ago, CzarnaWisnia said:
I'm not saying Ukraine should be excluded from discussing the possibility of being a neutral country, but for that to happen at all it needs to not be used by others as a proxy to exert power. Ukraine should first try to solve the civil war that's been going on on its territory for years. As for the military base, the Sebastopol naval base is roughly 1500 km from Moscow. In 1962, Russia placed missiles in Cuba. That was roughly the same distance from Washington DC. The US found that absolutely unacceptable, therefore the crisis that followed.
I dont think its used by "others as a proxy". Ukraine was a neutral country until its previous president decided NOT to ratify the signed EU-Ukraine Association Agreement, which Ukrainians in their majority supported. Then the president was toppled and Poroshenko was elected. Then Putin annexed Crimea. The military bases of NATO (non existent) were just a pretext for a land grab. Like today. It is probably a weird way to point the attention of RU ppl to smith else than to their economic hardship. While it worked in 2014, I feel it won't today (hopefully). I think the RU ppl are cleverer than this shit that Putin pulled today.
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1 minute ago, CzarnaWisnia said:
International politics like this has nothing to do with the wellbeing of populations, but with expanding or protecting one's sphere of power and influence. The leaders of these countries don't base their actions on the possible wellbeing or harm of their's or other countries' populations. In 2008, at the NATO summit, the US insisted that it be noted Georgia and Ukraine would become part of NATO, to which Russia indicated that was unacceptable, because it would bring Western forces, and military forces, right up to their border. The war in Georgia followed. Crimea was taken in 2014 following the change in regime in Ukraine. There's an important military naval base there (Sebastopol), which the Russians would not allow the West to have control over. To avoid what is going on right now, Ukraine should have been made into a neutral state (which it basically was until 2014). Russia will destroy Ukraine before they let the West add it to its own sphere of influence. Obviously, that's a horrible tragedy.
How would Canada react if it was made "neutral" by US and RU? In the end, it is near those two countries borders in northwest America? How would Canadians feel to be ordered by RU-US or to have their fate decided by those 2 or others? Shouldn't Ukraine choose what it future should be? Or sovereignty (a principle enshrined in the UN Charter) applies selectively on certain states??? As for the wellbeing of ppl: I understand that its not a factor, but I m saying that if it were, maybe Ukraine naturally would have leaned towards RU. As for the military bases etc. same argument could be made for Kaliningrad with the huge RU bases 5 minutes from Brussels, so its really dumb. The West was never a threat for RU.
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10 minutes ago, runa said:
There is so much nonsense in this thread from the pro-Russian, this is unbelievable to read… we live in a sad World, really. No wonder why it’s going so bad.
Blaming the media for everything is the 1st step to a fascist state. If that’s what you’re looking for, you must be really sad in your life.
The only propaganda is in your HEAD.Absolutely. I m amazed that some ppl try to equate US and RU, especially regarding Ukraine. The fact that Ukraine in 2013-2014 chose to seek EU/NATO path (like most of eastern Europe including Bulgaria, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia has done so more than 20 years ago) is hardly the US fault. Even if some influence was imposed on Ukraine from the West, it can in no way be compared to what RU did today. And really: if Putin was concentrated on the wellbeing of the Russian ppl and the other ppl in the ex USSR sphere (Kazahstan, Uzbekistan etc.), maybe Ukraine wouldn't have seeked proWestern path. Anyways, regarding Ukraine RU has done a tremendous mistake. Those ppl would become antiRU and they were not until recently. And RU has only Putin to blame.
And to think I was thinking in 2001-2002 that RU may one day join EU. Wow. How deluded was I.
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9 minutes ago, Kilt said:
The Kiev Intelligence Unit of the Ministry of Defense bombed.
Horrid
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24 minutes ago, lex92 said:
Unbelievable
I m shook. This is 2022. A sovereign European nation gets invaded and I hear ppl trying to excuse this. The fact that any European or any person really turns a blind eye... I cant gasp it.
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24 minutes ago, karbatal said:
By the way I know for a fact that I’m incredibly annoying in these issues. In my defense I will say that my husband is Bulgarian and he is so worried I end up tired of hearing so much about this at home
Sorry to you all!
I wonder what he tells u and if he is putinofille, because you don’t sound logical on these issues
. Or it may be cause Spain is in the very west of EU
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4 minutes ago, Nessie said:
It is a coup goverment because in 2014 it deposed by force the previous elected government which was pro-russia. There is no shame to recognize that, even the current Ukraine government recognized that they toppled the previous government with a bloody “revolution” as they call that Maidan revolt. Sadly coups still happens in the world, in this case it was a very graphic coup that they have no shame to admit victory by the use of force to oust Victor Yanukovitch.
As for the rest of your comments, i cannot comment on theories that Russia may or may not plot against the EU, even if it sounds interesting on paper for cold war inspired James Bond movie, until it happens in real life we cannot discuss “what ifs”. If there were the case we would be discussing how the US would react to an enemy alliance at its doorsteps in the hypothetical event of Canada and Mexico siding with a military alliance leaded by an overseas enemy superpower like Russia or China.
Anyway, nice discuss with you, at least you are attacking the message, not the messager, unlike a few others in this thread. Good night.
Oh "coup" like meaning that the previous president was toppled by the Maidan protests? Well I still would not call the present government "coup government". In Bulgaria many governments were toppled by protests and I would never call the next one "coup" government. More likely the previous government was doing smith seen as wrong by the majority of the ppl then the protests toppled it to make way for the next freely elected one. In that sense I strongly disagree the Kiev government is a "coup" one. More likely the previous president fucked up when he decided he won't ratify the EU-Ukraine association agreement which caused the protests and which the majority of the Ukrainians disliked. Of course this is a talking point of Putin - the Kiev "coup" government. Which is kind of ironic, because he has had the power for 23 years and he has practically liquidated any opposition (and changed the consituation last year so that for him the two term presidency doesn't apply - very democratic I must add). So practically in Russia there could be no "coup" government, because of his grip on the military, police etc.
As for the so called "theories", those feel more than real to Lithuanians and Latvians (and I would guess Estonians, Poles etc) and I have friends there, with whom I ve discussed this matter. Those "theories" are so unreliable that Lithuania reinstated compulsory military service a month after Crimea annexation after having voluntary military service for more than a decade. Although I disagree with you on all accounts regarding Putin, NATO, Eastern Europe, US role in this crisis or the Ukrainian situation, good night to you too :).
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37 minutes ago, Nessie said:
Putin will not send his army to a country that is a NATO member to unleash 30 military forces against Russia. He is not that stupid. Thus, as far as we know those baltic states are not shelling russian speakers like the coup goverment in Kiev is doing in the east of Ukraine. There is no reason to intervene in anywhere else besides Donetsk and Lugansk, unless Russia’s army is openly attacked elsewhere. A general war in Ukraine still remains a possibility if an agreement cannot be reach. Time is running out.
Coup government in Kiev? Really? Where do u get your information? That government was freely elected. As for the Russian speakers in the Baltics, Putin could easily organise the local "governments" to "attack" the Russians and then he will conveniently have an excuse to send his "peacekeepers". As for NATO: Putin did alot with helping Trump getting elected and thus weakening NATO and the US-EU relations. Its no surprise that at that time Macron and Merkel put up the prospect of creating a real EU army. Because even today Fox News is radiating the rednecks in US how cool Putin is and how insignificant Ukraine is and how its pretty much Russia. But it isn't.
Agreement won't be reached. Will Brazil be OK to get part of its territory annexed by say Argentina? Would the Brazilians endorse it?
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5 hours ago, karbatal said:
I wish you stopped saying nonsense
What is next, he will get back Alaska? It’s bordering Russian territory too. See how absurd the idea is?
Why? Putin would love to see EU long gone and European states weak, divided and fending for themselves. Plus he sees EU as an US lapdog. EU is not as protected as US, it has become obvious so the Alaska analogy is kind of absurd
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7 hours ago, karbatal said:
Putin is not going to invade any EU country. What kind of nonsense is that?
Really guys get a grip!Wait and see if no consequences come out of this second annexation of Ukrainian territory. Do you know that Baltics have like 20-30 percent Russian minority? Do you know that they were part of the Russian empire? Aren’t they in EU? I would hardly be surprised if Putin sends peacekeepers there next.
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1 hour ago, Nessie said:
Don’t mind. It is no use to discuss with these people. They have made up their minds long time ago that evil Russia will “invade” their homes and kidnap their children even if that means World War 3. Putin is the boogymen portrayed by the US press. There is no rational logic behind these thoughts, they do not abide by any reason, even if you present them facts right in the face there is no discussion just bias and hate bandwagon. No complexity, no knowledge of the subject, it is just black and white thinking, good and evil, very simple and very palatable for digest.
What’s so complex in occupying another country territory in 2022 Europe? Even if there is a Russian speaking ppl in that territory? If that is excused, all hell in Europe would break, because many countries have population from its neighbouring countries within its territory. But changing territories in 2022 is idiotic. Russia hardly manages the territory it has to rule presently. And it’s a pattern.
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23 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
Economic suicide? How often did I hear that in the last 30 years, how often did "experts" anticipate the downfall of the German economy? Yet, Germany became stronger and stronger. It has one of the most, if not the most resilient economies on the planet. We can deal with that.
And what is your proposal? Bowing down to Putin? Handing over Ukraine? And while we are at it, why not add Poland and the Baltic states?
I agree with everything and tnx god for Germany being that economic powerhouse, however this crisis is a grave reminder that Germany and EU as a whole owe an EU army for the protection of the people of Europe. And that army must be operational and able to protect the territory of EU. Because what's the alternative? Today Ukraine, tomorrow Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, the Baltic states... Next is Austria and then Germany. The eastern part still remembers what it was, obviously.
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58 minutes ago, karbatal said:
Sadly the result will be nuclear energy. Mark my words.
France announced it will open 26 reactors. Unfortunately no real alternative is seen in sight. Green energy would not become leading in the near future.
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10 minutes ago, Genevieve Vavance said:
Unfortunately a lot of people think like that in Eastern European countries (maybe generally?). In Serbia we have a lesbian butch femme prime minister and nobody questions that but as an openly gay man they will beat you up in the streets.
Sad that Julia was only gay4pay tho.
Redneck mentality.
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11 minutes ago, karbatal said:
The worst part is that Putin is equally a cunt. There’s not good side in this mess.
Putin is no comparison to Biden. It’s not Biden amassing troups in Ukraine threatening to invade it, demanding smth off sovereign states, over which he has no power like what organization they should be part of. I m shocked some Europeans do not get it.
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7 hours ago, karbatal said:
Oh and by the way there’s a great new film about that agreement in Netflix. Have you seen it. Great story in many levels!
No, but I added it to my list
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20 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
At this point I am way more angry at the EU. With all things going on worldwide I had hopes the EU will finally grow some balls. I don't mind them confronting Russia, China and the US. If only there was a European leader to speak up and tell them to f*ck off. I don't even know where our German chancellor is. It feels as if he had disappeared. He is such a sleeping pill. And let's face it, he only won because the other candidate was so bad.
When will the EU realize that they are the biggest and most powerful economy and market in the world. A market the rest of the world wants and needs access to. Start to play the power game, stop with being nice and believing that if the EU plays nice the rest will play nice as well. How many times has Europe been f*cked over by China or the US because the EU thought those countries believe in partnership the way the EU does. Even worse, there are so many things the EU or countries of the EU have been warned about and they ignored all threats just to act surpised later. In Germany the government has been warned for ages that China is stealing German technology, they have been warned that they should not sell large parts of the German storage sites for natural gas to a company that belongs to Gazprom. And look where we are in 2022. The storage sites have not been filled properly, there are hardly any reserves, the gas price is through the roof with many people not knowing how to pay for heating and electricity, gas providers going broke or unable to deliver costumers. And China for many years bought German companies that were developing strategic technolgies, even defense before the government finally stepped in. I still remember 15 years ago, when the Chinese visited German technology fairs, they literally crawled under and into the machines and made photographs from every angle possible. It was as funny as pathetic. Well, it stopped being funny when a year later they sold cheap replicas of those machines or products. Again, everyone knows what's going on, everyone cries foul but the politicians in charge wont do anything, except another round of appeasement.
Sorry for the rant.
So true on all accounts. And high time for some kind of confederation or smith. Countries who do not wanna sign such a threaty should be trown out. High high time for EU army.
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And what would Ukraine negotiate on exactly? Never being part of NATO or EU? Shouldn’t this be a decision for the Ukrainian people and government on one side and EU and NATO on the other to decide? Why should Ukraine erode its sovereignty? What’s next? Agreeing to be part of revived USSR or facing war? What negotiation should Ukraine and Russia have? And what exactly on?
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18 hours ago, karbatal said:
If I were Ukraine I would make an agreement with Putin. He’s the worst but it would save the country from a devastating war.
Now imagine France wanted to invade Spain. Would Spain agree to give up 1/3 of its territory to escape war with France? Would the Spanish government hold such negotiations and how would the Spaniards react? Remember the Munich agreement- the West agreed to give to Hilter part of Chehoslovakia and yet this didn’t prevent ww2 - https://www.britannica.com/event/Munich-Agreement
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38 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
I'm confused. I thought her marriage to Charles was only possible under the condition that she would never become Queen?
Also, "Queen Camilla" sounds hardly royal. Does she have other names?
Camilla in Bulgarian means
camel. Indeed not very royally sounding name
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2 hours ago, Gaudet said:
If only the U.S. for once refrained from typically interfering in foreign affairs, badly poking their nose therefore escalating shit further. Yeah, the hypocrisy.
In this case however I wonder what the logic for blaming US is. Ukraine obviously wants to join EU and NATO and those organizations in theory are open to new members.
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There are some really hot Russians out there like those cutie pies. However, one must not confuse Putin with the Russians. There are some great, progressive Russians, its just that their voice is silenced.
New war in Europe, courtesy of Putin
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Again shifting the discussion I see. Ukraine is the theme here. If u want to discuss how evil US has been since ww2, open another topic. And really linking 70ties Nixon to 2022 Putin? Really? We are talking about Europe here and not some local war, but one of the nuclear powers invading its neighbour.