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  1. 3 hours ago, air1975 said:

    So true. It is so very sad for all the humans involved in this tragedy. I think of the Ukrainians who all of a sudden are losing their homes and country and lives; Ukranian families' separation from the sons/fathers/brothers who are forced to fight; to the young Russian men (really boys) who are being told to fight for a war they probably do not understand; to the Ukranian and Russian mothers and fathers worried sick for their kids in the army; to the Russian people losing their jobs/savings. Its still almost surreal that in 2022 this could happen. 

    In reality there is only one person to blame for all this: PutLER. All this was his choosing.

  2. 43 minutes ago, Cyber-Raga said:

    Pretty much yup. And when Hitler annexed Poland on September 1st 1939, the Allies (minus Sowjet Union) declared war on Germany because they had promised Poland to stand by them if Hitler decided to do the same shit he had done in / to Czechoslovakia. 

    Ukraine was coincidently also given a guarantee by NATO because they handed over the nuclear warheads to Russia. But sure, “let’s talk” and rationalize being annexed by another country. 

    The guarantees were given to Ukraine by RUSSIA, USA and UK.

  3. 13 minutes ago, Paul Wade said:

    Putin must know that deep down his days are numbered.  He grossly underestimated the Ukrainian people's reserve and determination to resist this unprovoked invasion.  Due to the greater numbers of army personnel that Russia has,they may eventually win the battle,but they will definitely not win the war. All Putin has succeeded in doing is isolating both himself and Russia on the political world stage and have set east west relations back to the 1960s. 

    With the big exception that most of Europe now thankfully is within the geopolitical sphere of the West, not the Russians. Those Europeans that haven't managed to enter EU: Western Balkans (minus Serbia), Ukraine and Georgia - would hopefully enter someday soon. So in practice the "Iron Curtain" should fall between Russia/Belarus and the West (Serbia would try to balance out between RU, China and the West while preferring Russia every time it matters). Unless Putler nukes us all or invade half of Europe...

  4. 2 hours ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:

    The explanations from the Russian side to justify this war are getting more and more ridiculous. Now Lawrow is claiming it is meant to fight "Russiaphobia". They must be out of their minds. 

    And of course, the hospital bombing in Mariupol was done by Ukrainian nationalists, not the Russian army. Do they think the international community is stupid? 

    I agree. Their "grounds" for the "peace keeping operation" are hilarious. Not to mention the "denazification" claim easily makes them the fascists, because they will define who is a "nazi". Disgusting. I will not even mention how many articles of the UN Charter have they breached with that invasion. And from what we see each day from their fucking "operation", its obvious that the genocide and the crimes against humanity proofs keep piling up. Hopefully Putler and his clowns are greeted in the Hague soon.

  5. 3 hours ago, Gaudet said:

    By the way, big, huge kudos to Poland for massively helping out Ukraine by taking in so many refugees of the country. Poland is showing a big heart, humanity and superior generosity to a neighbouring country that inflicted so much pain and sorrow to them. Ukrainians are historically remembered by Polish for the horror they did to them during WW2, absolute massacre, terrible terrible thing - check it out. Manipulative mainstream media should mention that about Poland, instead of peddling the racist narrative at its border. 

    Poland 🇵🇱 surprises in the best way possible. So did Moldova and all the EU and NATO states on the border. For someone not close to the conflict it’s probably hard to understand that all those states are in utter horror and see themselves as his next target. I guess all of Europe see it like that.

  6.  

    https://www.indiatoday.in/world/russia-ukraine-war/story/vladimir-putin-invasion-ukraine-goddaughter-connection-1920128-2022-03-03

    Does Putin’s invasion of Ukraine have a goddaughter connection?

    A theory is going around that despite his misgivings about Nato (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) expansion, Putin invaded Ukraine to hoist his friend Viktor Medvedchuk to power in capital Kyiv.

     

    What triggers war has been a historian’s obsession. They have found that wars were fought over matters such as bird poop (Spain-Peru, 1860s), a stray dog (Greece-Bulgaria, 1920s), pastry (France-Mexico, 1830s) and the murder of a duke (World War-I). Historians will have a task to know why Russia’s President Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine.

     

    A theory is going around that despite his misgivings about Nato (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) expansion, Putin invaded Ukraine to hoist his friend Viktor Medvedchuk to power in capital Kyiv. Viktor Medvedchuk is the leader of the Opposition Platform in Ukraine and a rival to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (formerly spelt Zelensky).

    Putin has flagged Nato expansion in Russia’s neighbourhood as an existential threat and a good enough reason to invade Ukraine, an ally country waiting for Nato membership. Due to a lack of consensus and Russia’s belligerent opposition, the US-dominated Nato has always found reasons to delay Ukraine’s membership even after assuring the country in 2008.

    Medvedchuk and Putin share a long and strong friendship. They first met during the early years of Putin as Russia’s president. Medvedchuk was the chief of staff of Ukraine’s President Leonid Kuchma when he first met Putin.

    Follow full coverage of the Ukraine-Russia crisis here.

    They became so close that in 2004, when a baby girl was born to Medvedchuk, he asked Putin to rechristen her in Orthodox Christian tradition that both the leaders follow. Putin named his goddaughter, Daria.

    Putin would often bring gifts for Medvedchuk, bouquets for his wife Osanka Marchenko a famous TV presenter in Ukraine, and dolls for Darina.

    Daria is now said to be hiding to escape abduction by the Ukrainian forces since the Russian invasion. Her father Medvedchuk, put under house arrest in 2021 by the Zelenskyy government, escaped on February 27, three days after Putin ordered a “special military operation” in Ukraine.

    Putin’s aggression towards Ukraine has grown in measures seemingly parallel to Zelenskyy’s action against Medvedchuk, who enjoyed tremendous influence in Ukrainian business and political circles. He was said to be running a television network with a bouquet of channels having wide viewership.

     

    ALSO READ | How war changed Ukraine in 7 days since Russian invasion

    Medvedchuk and Putin are said to have common interests in the regional geo-strategy and mutual dislike for the West. They holiday together in the Black Sea, where both Russia and Ukraine open for an exit to the Mediterranean Sea and ultimately towards the Atlantic Ocean.

    Medvedchuk has for long been considered Putin’s voice in Ukraine. He attempted a presidential run in 2019, when Zelenskyy won the national election to head the Ukrainian government.

    He has been a critic of the Ukrainian government since 2014 when the last pro-Russia president was deposed through a popular protest. Putin had then said there was no “legitimate authority” and “no one to talk to” in Ukraine.

    UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT'S PUSHBACK

    In 2014, when Russia attacked Ukraine and annexed its Crimean Peninsula, Medvedchuk was sanctioned by the US, among other countries. But he emerged as the man to mediate with Putin over the rebellion in East Ukraine. A deal could be agreed on in 2018 for peace.

    Again in 2020, when Putin announced the first Covid-19 vaccine, Medvedchuk and his wife were among the first to fly to Moscow for vaccination. They reached an arrangement under which Russia was to supply Covid-19 vaccine doses to Ukraine free of cost.

    But the Zelenskyy government rejected the arrangement as the US accused Putin of trying to secure mileage out of the Covid-19 pandemic using vaccines as leverage.

    MEDVEDCHUK CORNERED

    Medvedchuk has faced stringent measures under the Zelenskyy government.

    Zelenskyy took measures to stifle his business operations, particularly since January-February 2021, days after the inauguration of Joe Biden as the US president.

    The government blacked out the TV channels linked to Medvedchuk from the Ukrainian audience. The US embassy in Ukraine praised the move.

    The Zelenskyy government and the US accused Medvedchuk of running Russian propaganda to destabilise the Ukrainian government. In February 2021, the Zelenskyy government froze assets of Medvedchuk’s family. These businesses included an oil pipeline that brought Russian oil to Europe and money to Medvedchuk family, including Putin’s goddaughter.

    n one of his interviews, Medvedchuk complained that he did not have enough money to pay his utility bills. The Zelenskyy government action was announced on February 19. Two days later came the first signal of Russian retaliation.

     

    On February 21 last year, Russia announced the deployment of 3,000 soldiers to the Ukraine border for “large-scale exercises” with the objective to “seize enemy structures and hold them until the arrival of the main force”.

    This was the first of many announcements on the deployment of Russian troops on the Ukraine border. The number of soldiers kept increasing to 1,00,000 before Putin ordered them to invade Ukraine.

    Deployment of troops continued, as did measures against Medvedchuk and his close aides, who were even reportedly targeted by America's Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in 2021. Medvedchuk was put under house arrest in Kyiv in 2021, and despite Russia’s pressure, the Zelenskyy government would not free him.

    ALSO READ | As Ukrainians arm up to face Russians, the origins of Molotov cocktail

    Then in January this year, the US issued a statement accusing Medvedchuk and his aides of plotting with the Russians to topple the Zelenskyy government and install a puppet regime in Ukraine.

    A month later, on February 25, when the Russian troops were reported to be heading towards Kyiv, Putin asked his soldiers to topple the Zelenskyy government. Two days later, Medvedchuk escaped from house arrest. But Zelenskyy has put up a fight that Putin possibly did not expect before invading Ukraine.

  7. 28 minutes ago, karbatal said:

    The very second a single troop invaded Ukraine all debate about sociopolítica is sterile. One thing is the political chessboard and another to invide a country and kill innocent population. 

    Exactly. It’s an atrocity. It can never be excused. It’s one thing to support certain forces that want a political change, it’s another to try to impose it by invading a peaceful nation.

  8. 2 hours ago, karbatal said:

    I think it’s more the attitude appeal than the looks.

    Btw his story is really funny. He was an actor who played the role of the president of Ukraine on tv in a satire show and he became so hugely popular that he decided to run for president. Ukrainian people really had good luck with that decision. He is truly a master of image control and he is actually a very brave and sound person. Those two qualities combined is what makes a good political figure. Right now he is the most charismatic leader of the world 

    If he survives somehow (praying he does), I wouldnt be surprised if he is the next Secretary General of the UN.

  9. Just now, karbatal said:

    I do pray this goes well. Jari just told me that Bulgarian media is reporting that Putin seems to feel defeated after meeting the oligarchs and it’s planning a retreat.

    Even though I am not sure it’s a good policy to rearm ourselves like Germany is planning or to spend billions in sending arms to Ukraine, maybe it was another pressure tactic against Putin and it worked 

    Well obviously EU and Europe would need to beef up its arm forces as a consequence. NATO is revitalised. If all goes well, he will hopefully be taken down and/or sent to Hague. I agree that spending on military is pity, but obviously it is needed. Maybe if EU army is created, the cost would be less?

  10. 36 minutes ago, karbatal said:

    If this is solved through sanctions, pressure on Putin and diplomacy I think we will have so much to celebrate. Instead of repeating tired patterns that lead to immense tragedy it would save millions of lives.

    If only the diplomatic reunions of Zelensky and Putin mean something… And the deranged Putin is taken off the Russian presidency by the oligarchs… Fingers crossed.

    Lets hope.

    And the plus is (if there is since no war has pluses) that Putin did manage to unite EU like never before. Pushed Germany to return as a military force and maybe (if he doesn't press the button) even make us (at last) create EU Army. In a strange way, he who wanted to tear down EU, might have saved it. Plus the nationalists who he fed so that they tear down EU (like Le Penn) turned their backs to him already.

  11. Taken from FB:

    "Now another "apologetic" argument - why shouldn't Putin invade Ukraine, when the United States bombed Serbia?

    First, in Yugoslavia, like the USSR, there was a movement for self-determination of the former republics - and so Slovenia, Croatia and Macedonia, and Ukraine from the USSR became independent states, and in the first two cases Milosevic like Putin - 30 years late - asked with force to stop them.

    Second, there was the genocide of Milosevic against the population of Kosovo, which, like Putin for Ukraine, Milosevic saw as the cradle of Serbian statehood and wanted to drive Albanians away from him. There are no reports of Ukrainian atrocities against Russians, except in isolated cases that are not state policy to provoke an interstate war.

    Thirdly, Milosevic had already violated many UN resolutions and the charter, which provoked an international reaction. There is no information that Ukraine has violated international law.

    Fourth, to stop the bloodshed, NATO intervened, not just the United States, after Serbia refused to fulfill the agreements reached for the withdrawal of the army from Kosovo, even with the mediation of Russian Prime Minister Chernomyrdin! What agreements has Ukraine not fulfilled?

    Fifth, because of ethnic cleansing - which is considered a crime against humanity, the UN with Resolution 1244, adopted by 14 votes in favor and one abstention (China) allows an armed presence under the auspices of the UN and its administration governs Kosovo."

    Again to balance out this thread. 

  12. 33 minutes ago, Kilt said:

    Waging wars is Putin's solution and panacea to his diminishing and falling popularity. Same thing happened in February 2014. He invaded Crimeea, his popularity/ approval rate sky rocketed. Start a war and get back in the good graces of your nation, at least the part that is brainwashed by the public tv channels. 

    Him and his kgb clique of yester years really have no tricks up their sleeves, except for scheming and strategizing attacks, making up imaginary enemies and spewing propaganda and spreading fear about the impending nazi threat in Ukraine and the god-given right or moral obligation to purge and cleanse the lands of people who are threatening the lives of russian-speaking populations  outside of Russia or limiting the status of the Russian language in those territories. 🤯

    So true. And Ukraine aggression would not be answered. If he remains in power, he will strike again. And I would not be surprised if its a NATO country, most probably the Baltics, where there are many Russians who suddenly may need "peacekeepers".

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