*mlvc*
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4 hours ago, Nikki said:
Actually, it IS. Go back to school, sjw.
Well, number one, there is no need to be rude, number two I am not a sjw, and number three, you are wrong. A "Native Indian" would be someone who was born in India. The reason that the term "Indians" stuck was because when the Americas were discovered the explorers believed that they were IN India, so they called the native tribes "Indians." If you ask Native Americans today if they want to be called "Indians" they will tell you that they do not.
SO, my point is that I don't know why Madonna didn't just write, "I will be Native American, if the tribe is taken" or something to that effect.
To those comments above, which got out of hand because I mentioned "Killers" in a "Batuka" video thread... I am well aware of gay people being burned, women being raped, the poor being downtrodden, etc. I do not live under a rock, my point is that IN MY OPINION these two songs could have really used some polishing in the lyrics department.
I love all of Madonna's albums in different ways, but I will be the first one to say that "Superstar" "Birthday Song" "Spanish Lesson" or "Beat Goes On" are head scratchers among otherwise brilliant bodies of work and I can say the same about certain tracks from MADAME X.
I feel some tension in some of the commentary and perhaps some of that comes from the fact that I am a new poster to this forum, sadly Madonna Xfinity closed shop and I was forced to relocate, lol!
Don't take me as a hater or a troll, I am a genuine fan that just doesn't feel that I have to enjoy everything and I also have the right to say I don't like a track or a look. It doesn't make me a less-than fan.
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4 hours ago, Marcelox said:
Why? If You didn't like the song
We already know that you're not gonna like it..
Oh? I'm not a huge fan of "Dark Ballet" but I like the video, I think it's awesome.
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4 hours ago, Katypatra said:
What is so “incorrect” about Killers to you? You keep stating your opinions as facts, but apart from “native Indian”, which by the way I didn’t have a problem understanding what she meant, all the lyrics are very on point and relate to everything that’s going on in our world. So how any of it is “incorrect” to you honestly just makes me wanna roll my eyes. You haven’t heard about gay people literally being set on fires in Uganda? You haven’t heard of hatred toward Islam or women getting raped? What planet do you live on?
Untrue. I’ve made it clear that my opinions are just that, opinions. However, there is no such thing as a “Native Indian” in North America. I don’t understand why this bothers you so much, it’s simply the truth. As far as me not liking the song as a whole, well, that is my personal taste. To me “Killers” is on the same level as “Hey You” which again, IMO should have never been released.
Anyway, back to the point... I’m still interested to see what the “Batuka” video looks like. If it’s anything like “Dark Ballet” the video will improve the song.
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1 minute ago, Katypatra said:
Ok, so there we go, you just don’t like it because your views on politics are different. That’s fine. Moving on.
No, that’s not it and it isn’t political, it’s incorrect. I don’t like “Killers” because I think it’s subpar, the “Native Indian” part is confusing.
Again, I don’t have to like what you like and vice versa.
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4 minutes ago, Flip The Switch said:
Oh God.
One at a time, Blanche.
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48 minutes ago, Katypatra said:
Well, I have to respectfully disagree. Lyrics of both Killers and Batuka is one of the reasons I love these songs. I find myself singing these two over and over throughout the day because I love the lyrics so much. These are first two songs I memorized right away besides Medellín. Also, if you gonna nitpick lyrics like that (referencing Native Indian) then you might as well stop listening to pop music altogether.
“Native Indian” is politically incorrect to the point of being offensive. Native Americans aren’t Indians. I was actually shocked that Madonna used this terminology to force a rhyme.
“Medellín” is different, IMO, as it’s polished, flows, and has structure, and the vocals are smooth. Again, I like my M songs polished and to me these sound like demos.
We don’t have to like the same things as both of our opinions are valid.
P.S. I have no idea why the second part of my post is larger.
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20 minutes ago, Katypatra said:
Killers was the first song she wrote when she began this journey. She put her heart and soul into it and her Portuguese is gorgeous. Batuka is one of her most ethnic songs she’s ever done, with the African beats and Batukadeiras singing in the chorus. Her voice is meant to be nasally because of the atmosphere of the song, like she’s part of the tribe. You replaced these songs with bonus tracks that sound great on their own, but definitely not better. Just accept the album as it is and allow these songs to come to you. Disregarding them like that is kind of disrespectful to how Madonna intended her album to be. Just saying...
It’s not disrespectful, I just don’t like them. I love 15 out of 18 tracks. I don’t have to like everything. Also, I don’t move the tracks around, just cut them. I think “Dark Ballet” has the most promise, but the overuse of vocoder on the Joan of Arc quotes makes you strain to understand the words and “Supreme hoodie” isn’t known well enough to make sense to most listeners. “Killers,” to me, is the worst track on the album, a wonderful concept with a beautiful chorus but odd verses... there is no such thing as a “native Indian” for example. “Batuka” has a good beat, but I think it could be a lot better, again, delivery and lyrics. Truthfully, the people for whom I have played the album aren’t fans of these three, either, and they very much enjoy Madonna.
i prefer a more polished pop Madonna which is why I like the bonus material more than those 3 tracks.
I’m a huge M fan, so I love the vast majority of her work, but some things just don’t work for me.
On the other hand I am very excited about the tour and what she has in store. I think “Dark Ballet” will be an interlude and she will perform “Batuka.” “Killers” to me is a toss up.
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I don't think the structure of "Batuka" is what bothers me, as I said before, I think her vocals are too nasally or somehow processed in an unflattering way, the lyrics are somewhat amateur for her, but at the end of the day, she's not really actually singing a song, she's just sort of sing-talking. I find it so amusing that when I put my version of the album together I omitted "Dark Ballet" "Batuka" and "KIllers" and replaced them with "Ciao Bella" "Back That Up" and "Funana" while so many other fans seem to LOVE those 3. I just find them hard to listen to with "Dark Ballet" being the most palatable.
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I don’t really understand the love for “Batuka” to be honest. I think there are several other songs on the album that deserve a video.
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15 minutes ago, Crystal Coffin said:
I always try to be a nice person, but unfortunately I have very little patience when seeing something not understood the way it was intended.
"No one can take that away from her" is meant to refer to the simple fact that Madame X DID debut at #1 in the USA, regardless of how it performed in the subsequent weeks. I can't believe that had to be explained.
I completely understood your post. I was just elaborating on it.
No need to be ugly.
The charts don't bother me, MX is an amazing album, so who cares?
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6 hours ago, poprock said:
I'm so happy she hit #1. No one can take that away from her even if the sales decline dramatically from here on out.
And they did. I think it's sitting at number 77 on the BB 200. So outrageous that there is sub standard music that sits on the charts for ages now and a piece of art like MX is ignored. The music industry never ceases to let me down.
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Does anyone know if an HD recording was made? I'm sure there was but I haven't located one.
“Batuka” music video
in ARCHIVE - The MADAME X Forum
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Note the difference: "American Indian" vs "Native Indian." American Indian is still accepted, but the simple term "Indian" not so much.