Who Is That Girl?
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I dare say had she been on an arena WORLD tour the promo would have been more substantial, let's face it the returns on record sales verse the amount of promotion seem redundant, for any artist based on the decimation of the recording industry. I really wonder what's to come regarding future albums unless there is a huge investment for Madonna's streaming returns, I can only imagine the state of record sales in four or five years for physical/digital (real) sales for ALL artists. I guess with Madonna she is one of the few truly 'global' artists who has returns in every major market. I have said before Madonna, I believe needs to let go of the 'back catalogue' ignore issue and embrace her iconic catalogue between eras with smaller fun projects that allow for casual fans and the general public to reingage with her brilliance, I believe this would bode well for connection on newer projects like Mx. The fact that Madonna has hit 61 almost without any sort of reliance is incredible however she is now in a 'perfect storm' scenario where her reach based on new material has a few obstacles, certainly not a criticism just nature of the industry. Who knows perhaps Mx will be the perfect bookend to a stellar recording career in the traditional sense of large eras as we know them.
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The music industry as WE know it is DEAD, albums just do not sell anymore.
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Isn't it number 7 on real sales Madonna's audience will NEVER stream its never going to happen she missed the boat they NEVER invested in her digital side.
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None of it matters, the whole she is popular here not popular there, Madonna is quite simply STILL... The Most Famous Woman In The World... If she never made another piece of art again, what she delivered today is quite simply enough, MASTERPIECE.
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2 hours ago, frzndrwnwrld said:
She has disliked her back catalog since ROL. She relented on Re-Invention Tour but if you notice on the tours that followed, she tends to stick to the same hits that she hates the least and makes them as unrecognizable as possible.
I don't think she dislikes her back catalogue, I think its more love/hate and she plays on that because it keeps us all on edge. The success of ROL and Music put her in this weird head space of 'I'm too cool for school' she knew she could produce traditionally non commercial music and still sell however that's a fine balancing act particularly on tour, causal fans NEED the hits. Madonna makes it hard for herself at times and 'cuts her nose off to spite her face' to missed opportunities particularly over that past decade by ignoring her back catalogue, I think with more attention to her back catalogue between eras would engratiate her more with the general public meaning new material would be welcomed by the casual listener more so than it is. I want her to be the artist WE know she is between eras not the irritating celebrity to those who mis-understand her, which is essentially the general public. It sounds like having read that interview Madonna might realise the last decade has not been kind to her in retrospect, I mean she must wonder about leaving Warner's, the sudden decline in album sales and all that went with the last few cycles.
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AUSTRALIA # 2 behind Bruce Springsteen, wow he really out gunned her!!!! It wasn't Fathers Day in Australia, that falls in September here.
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DOES any of it REALLY MATTER!!! Madonna IS the MOST FAMOUS woman in the world.. STILL!!!! After the HORRENDOUS media smear over the last few years notably the last decade she can still dominate in an industry that is dying when it comes to record sales. Madame X is a STELLAR album and will be remembered as such and will like go down as a cult album loved by fans in the twilight of her career. Madonna has made the music she will be remembered for 1982 - 2005, let's be honest REALLY remembered. This album and anything that is to follow is icing on the cake. I do BELIEVE in my soul (dramatic yes LOL) that there have been some BAD decisions made by her and her team over the last decade that could have impacted what may have been greater sales HOWEVER she traded commercial album/single success for touring success, it certainly paid off for the latter. I know Madonna will do what Madonna wants to do but I do see Madame X as possible turning point for her public reputation. This is a chance for Madonna to re-engage with the casual fan and general public, she was always the ice queen unfortunately the last few years has seen her become the crazy old ice queen BUT then Madame X happened and no one expected it to be so well received. Let's hope Madonna builds on this and is now viewed as a musical artist between eras and not a celebrity.
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1 hour ago, Kurt420 said:
MJ would prob be shifting a cool couple million of his new stuff if he were still around. Madonna did around 1 million of RH. Historically, he always tended to sell a little more than her if you put albums they released around the same time side by side.....Invincible/Music may be one of the exceptions to that. Definitely don't think he'd be immune to the overall decline in sales across the board that everyone experiences.....also don't think he'd be any sort of streaming force that would rival the newer acts. Madonna gets scrutinized unfairly for a lot of things but one thing they both have in common is their previous massive successes are used against them. In MJ's case, from Dangerous onward (really Bad to a degree) there was a narrative that he wasn't as successful because those albums didn't equal Thriller amounts. That was the case up until his last studio album in '01.....it sold something like 6-7 million but it's a "flop" to many. With Madonna, in recent years, the beef is she isn't churning out COADF's with every release.....both stylistically and commercially, so she's "lost it" and "needs to retire".
Regarding streaming for Madonna, I feel like Madonna doesn't do too terribly in that area considering she's 60 and almost 40 yrs into her career. Are there any other living 60+ acts that are top streaming artists? I'm seriously asking. A large bulk of M fans are in the 40+ or even 50+ range so not as much streaming going on there as the teens and 20 somethings obviously. Not sure what Guy could really do about that.
Thanks for your response, really informative. I agree Ms huge success is the barometer that is used against her, not fair and the media know it. How could she possibly compete against her zenith with the music industry in such decline since digital and streaming took over, your right about MJ selling more than M if measured today however I think that is due to one being a risk taker and prepared to sacrifice commercial success versus a talent that would rely on similar styles album after album, there is safety in the familiar. Madonna has been the victim of an ongoing perfect storm since Hard candy none of which has effected her level of fame or really her touring success (I think RHT even though a success) suffered from market over exposure and inflated pricing, I think the Mx tour concept allows time to rest the big show and build anticipation for what I feel she will need to be a marketed hits tour next time, without it being a greatest hits tour (Reinvention style) I think Ms constant and non reliance and ignoring her legacy between albums DOES effect the commercial success of new material, she becomes a celebrity instead of an artist during breaks as seen terribly between RH and MX.
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I wonder had MJ lived and without the scandals would he suffer the same amount of scrutiny for every release? Would sales for MJ and Madonna be similar, if I remember MJ albums prior to his death were selling less and less, I mean it’s the only fair comparison apples and apples? The real spanner in the works for Madonna has been digital downloads, she is such a physical artist, imagine the thousands of copies she doesn’t sell because of digital, either illegal or people buying select songs, also Madonna was NEVER established as a streaming artist, Guy let her down in this format.
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1 minute ago, Kurt420 said:
I think only a hit song can sustain sales for any extended period.
Even if she went balls to the wall with promo next couple of weeks, that will peak relatively quickly then fall.
Overall though, this album has great reviews so let's hope that translates to good word of mouth. I think that was what helped COADF in the US more than anything.
But why can’t she sustain she’s freaking Madonna, overnight after Hard Candy it literally changed.. I get she is older, streaming, bad PR etc etc, I truely believe the Warner’s decision and the repercussions over an extended period killed her as a commercial artist, how do you go from selling millions with COADF to almost a million per album since. Is she that hated now days?
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Mx is now number 10 iTunes US and UK that’s not great, she has so much trouble sustaining these days, why is that? The media latch on and run with it saying album is a flop bla bla I don’t understand that as soon as her albums are released it’s radio silence from her label in terms of marketing, she needs its.. I am in Australia and have not seen one TV advert or poster around the streets, is it because the material is so different? Has she alienated her fan base over last decade? I know its just an iTunes chart but it is a barometer of what is happening sales wise.. god she needs a new strategy to maintain sales or is she such a part of global consciousnesses that people are now thinking ‘oh it just another Madonna record, she always there in the background when I need a fix’ and are not actively sourcing new material??
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I guess a single officially is a video, radio edit shipped to radio stations, remixes and concentrated performances. How GC was not the first single is beyond my comprehension with Faz in the Latin market as first single. So many bad decisions over the last 10 years have all had a small contribution to her current commercial status with album and singles sales.
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Madonna MUST release GOD CONTROL as a SINGLE the world needs to hear this masterpiece, please tell me its true the video in the theatre is for this art piece. I think with an amazing radio edit, which would be hard to do being such a complex song along with the club remix, I mean WOW. She should strike NOW while the iron is hot, maybe be its me but that disco hook just hits the soul.
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Its not a Madonna thing its a record industry thing, I think she will ultimately sell more than Rebel Heart overall. We have to compare apples with apples, Madonna's team DO need to be stronger after the release in weeks 2-4 and they need to really work on her digital and streaming market. I think we can all agree the last 10 years have been tough on Madonna, PR overall and reception to her output of new music and ultimately leaving Warner's, such a mistake to leave. I would love to know what is happening in an alternate universe where M is still with Warner's but with same releases, it would be fascinating to know the truth. This is single handily one of the ‘great’ albums but the least commercial she has ever done, it’s so different and thank god, I would even call it ‘alternate’ not in a ROL way but in a.. I don’t even know.. it’s like she is an ‘independent’ artist it’s so avant garde but pop at the same time.. anyway I digress.. who knows we are in uncharted territory.. the most famous woman in the world, releasing a non commercial album to stellar reviews, at fucking 61, go figure!!!
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Kate Langbrook is a very well know Australian radio personality, I have met her several times and have mutual friends, she is a truly a wonderful, funny person. Kate attended the 'Tears Of A Clown' show in Melbourne and reviewed on her high rating radio show. I agree quite simply one of the best ever interviews, Madonna would have LOVED Kate, her type of gal. Kate is VERY dry and so very clever and FUNNY. There is a little more before and after the interview that is not shown here but can be heard on the audio version which was played on the radio show.
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This song enters the TOP 10 of her career, dare I say TOP 5 it is PURE POP PERFECTION.
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The fact that her tour is selling out at the most expensive prices ever should be enough to know her career is not over, for the billionth time in 40 years, the cities that she is touring have the same attendance for 3+ arena shows meaning the attendance trend is almost better than RHT!!!
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Madonna sang LAP beautifully during both shows for the final two RHT shows, I had the absolute privilege to have a dream come true during those two concerts. I think we just have to chalk it up to sound issues, inner ear issues, nerves, poor musical arrangement and face the fact it was simply a 'perfect storm' combining and resulting in what was an unfortunate scenario. Madonna ALWAYS sounds BEST when backed by a great band or orchestra, it eludes me when she chooses alternate options of musical support. Madonna will never be a soprano BUT the girl can sing, I believe her theatre shows will be a great setting and hope she strips back the vocoder and affects on her voice, I love her 'Madonna' tones and 'Madonna' emotions that only 'Madonna' can project, her imperfections give her voice character and tell a story.
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I understand Madonna is absolutely unapologetic etc etc etc and she has nothing to aplogize for HOWEVER our lady could turn this into an absolute opportunity, negative into a positive, of sorts! Let's face it EV was a PR disaster from the VERY beginning, even before Madonna was involved, mainly due to the Israel factor. I believe it would bode well for her to address the two controversies, one being the vocal and the other being her political statement PARTICULARLY while this is a huge story, I don't mean through her instagram or any other mild avenue but with a press conference explaining the vocal scenario, for whatever reason it was (I believe there was a reason) she is a perfectionist, it would provide some light and shade while providing context instead of the usual blocking out the noise of 'whatever doesn't kill me makes me stronger' attitude, which frankly gets tired and can cause more harm than good. Madonna could use a press conference to announce a charity or some other philanthropic cause for the problems in Israel and Palestine while addressing everything that has occurred and actually put it to bed and follow up with a killer performance similar to the simplicity of Borderline on Jimmy Fallon, Madonna is never going to have the voice of a soprano but the girl can sing. The fact we still have to defend her vocal abilities after forty years is exhausting and normally I would say let's walk away its just 'white noise' but this time I believe it needs addressing.
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So typical, Australian reporter live form EV reporting 'Madonna will perform two songs LAP and a new song absolutely no one is interested in, followed by laugh in studio, my god it is relentless.
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2 hours ago, elijah said:
As much as we have to put the blame on the radio: I believe the fault is as much with Madonna too. It has been said already BUT I ll say it again: she (or her team) has been terrible at picking singles since 2008. Prior to that, at the time of Confessions, she was also NOT played on the radio, but Hung Up was such a massive song that it managed to get to N7 against all odds... And from HC onwards it has been the constant trend: she has chosen the wrong songs as singles. It seems like with WB (when they cared) they managed to convince her to pick the obvious stand out tracks to present her work as best as they can, cause I feel that Madonna as the artist that has created the song, probably looses perspective whats the best among the bunch, probably feels strongly connected to a song which isn't the best one. In short: I think we would have looked at a different path had she released TBGO, Devil, I m Addicted (instead of GMAYL), BKiller, Love Spent, Devil Pray, Hold Tight and Joan Of Arc - and promoted them with great videos. Now imagine I m Addicted being performed on Superbowl the way she perform it on MDNA tour. That would have been a N1 hit WITHOUT a doubt in my mind.
Yes agree, BUT in 2005 streaming was not around, sales still dominated, particularly CD singles, they were still around, people were forced to iTunes to buy singles also, I stand by the perfect storm PLUS the MAJOR factor is WARNERS, literally overnight her singles career DIED, that is not a coincidence, HER BIGGEST EVER MISTAKE, I blame Guy and his 360 touring bullshit, she sells out arenas regardless that's why I never understood the attraction, traded record success for touring success, Madonna is just as famous, just as talented, just as loved, just as hated but combine everything else I mentioned with the fact she got old and BANG we have the result, that said I think this era is much more known and feels more commercial than Rebel Heart, she is everywhere in the media BUT without a big label like Warners and radio behind her at 60 it AINT happening I'm afraid, her singles now are VANITY projects to support the album and tour.
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Radio is key to her top 10 success, its just not happening without it, Madonna is having a 'perfect storm' when it comes to singles chart success, mainly ageism (almost 61), radio play (ageism), older fanbase (want physical copy please), older fanbase (not THAT into downloading or streaming), a lack of emphasis by her team to build her as a digital and streaming artist (Guy O and no Warners/proper label) all general points but together create the 'perfect storm' blowing against our gal. I just don't think enough people often realise she has a new single out and by the time they do its too late. Also, Madonna has been a part of our global culture for so many years at such an incredible level that people become complacent about her and figure, oh its just Madonna, she's always there when I need a 'hit' of her (no pun intended) so there not necessarily sourcing or looking out for new material, then without the radio play, it just doesn't happen. Look how quickly she lifted on the iTunes sales charts last night just from sheer exposure of one performance. Proof is in the pudding.
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There is a subtle effect on her voice making it ‘future’ global, if not for that it could sit on RH as a ballad, doesn’t have a strong hook like ‘Ghosttown’ again ‘odd’ choice for a ‘single’ if it is an actual single, I feel but hope it doesn’t get lost amongst the heavy Medellín promo, I just can’t see this being the song with the drag queens video!!! Perhaps I am wrong an it may be the second single.
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13 minutes ago, Mensch said:
I agree. How many people HOW MANY PEOPLE can be buying shallow every single day for over a year. I mean seriously. I don’t wanna make it about Gaga but I just don’t get it...how can it not stay somewhere in the top 100 even...is NO ONE buying it AT ALL except for all of us who bought it first week?
Hi @Mensch there is also a very concerning article when you google M news by Liberty Voice, it’s a big write up about the Medellín singles sales performance and could Madame X be Ms worst performing album, I won’t post as I don’t want it to get traction but the GP buy into it because they don’t understand how low singles sales for everyone actually are and all they read is Madonna and her current performance. I don’t understand any of it anymore somethings not adding up.
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She looks like a teenage girl in her PJs so cute..