Acediace
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3 hours ago, whyme? said:
What a load of BULLSHIT in this post, and you know it. Israel doesn't want its hostages back!? Israel did a LOPSIDED 1,000-person prisoner exchange several years ago, for ONE Israeli! Unlike Hamas, they care for each and every single one of their citizens. If Hamas is so concerned for its people, why don't they surrender so Israel stops the bombing? Why don't they stop the rocket attacks against Israel so Gaza children can stop getting killed? They've been suffering so much in these wars! Why doesn't Hamas lay their arms down so the fighting will stop? Why don't they release all the hostages, including grandmothers, mothers, children, and foreigners!?
Here's one lovely person out of those 1,000 criminals that were released by Israel, happily rejoicing with blood on his hands after killing Jewish people:
Don't bother. They are brainwashed from a narrative that is so deep in their brain. "They killed a solider that murdered 85 peaceful Palestinian"
They literally think that this is what the IDF is doing. That soldiers serves the army and just kill kill kill. They have no idea and I'm sure none of them ever been in Israel.
I'm sure that they don't even know when this picture is from.
Let them talk its not gonna change anything.
They thing that we are some psychopaths or racists that wants to make them think thay we need to "KILL ALL GAZA,GENOCIDE NOW". No we don't want that and it's not gonna happen.
they really know nothing. I'm sure that they don't even actually know the history of Israel and just think that "One day evil Israel took over the place called Palestine"
They are not in Israelis place and will never understand. And obviously they can't imagine what's going on here after 7.10
They think it's about Israel vs Palestine. If they would've talk with some of the Palestinian in Israel right now they will be amazed but what they will say.
To clarify something. Nobody is happy for the death of Palestinians in Gaza. Not ever, not now. I hate the current Israeli government. I've been protesting this fuckers for this whole year. The only thing that I want is that it all be over with. That this war thay Hamas created will just be over and all the hostages will be back and the existence of Hamas will be long gone exactly like any other monster from the history of the world. Just like the message above "every action has reaction". Hamas knew they fucking knew thay this is exactly what is going to happen after their attack. And they did this anyway. They knew what the reaction will b. Hamas is the government in Gaza. Nothing else to say.
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50 minutes ago, debord said:
Are you capable of engaging without making things up? I didn't say they were 'fake'. But they are entirely stripped of context by a government of an apartheid state which continues to brutalise Palestinians and is currently engaging in genocide. And you bringing up the notion of 'conspiracies' is incredible - how's that strident denial that Israel uses chemical weapons going? Are all the human rights orgs now lying that they're using them now? Even in your post you dismiss as a conspiracy that Israel is bombing the south, reports that have been verified by news outlets including CNN and Sky, and no less than the United Nations!
When it comes to the chemical weapons - again like it or not, I don't care what you've read, Israel never used them on civilians.
And I didn't say that Israel did not bomb the south, Israel is bombing everywhere in Gaza right now. I'm talking about this "method", that the army send messages to civilians, told them "look, go to the south if you wanna stay safe" and then when they are on the move, just bomb civilians on the road just for fun
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10 minutes ago, debord said:
The list he posted is literally copied and pasted from an Israeli government page.
so it must be fake right? All of these names, they just made up...just like the things that never happened in the Hamas attack on 7.10 right?
there are names on the fucking list, you can just look them up and read... Jesus... I mean if and headline says that Israel called for Palestinians to move to the south and then bomb them from the air it must be real. but, if we are talking about terror attacks committed by Hamas terrorist or their brainwashed Palestinian folk it's fake fake fake lies lies lies. Israeli government conspiracy -
2 hours ago, promise to try said:
we have a madonna fan from Israel here, and he/she/they talked about palestinian people killing israel´s citizen´s before the big attack last week...maybe he/she/they wasn´t talking about killings? because I only see "a couple" of dead people in last 9 years...
This year there were a lot of terror attacks. Not something big like recent events. In these attacks 36 Israelis were killed
Previous year 2022 was similar with 31 Israelis killed
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1 hour ago, debord said:
Attacking folk for ignorance when you write something as inane as "Hezbulla===Hamas===al queada===Isis" is quite something. For a start, Hezbollah is a Shia org while Hamas is Sunni. If you know anything at all, you'll know this is a fundamental divide which has caused much conflict - but their common cause is opposing Israeli occupation. You'll also note that credible orgs are now confirming Israel is using chemical weapons, which you were vehemently denying.
I know that these are different terror organizations
They goal is not opposing Israel occupation their goals is to kill and I think it's very obvious after recent events, for those who were (are) in a bubble and think these organization have real values and real goals other than terror for all. Hamas knew exactly what butchering and kidnapping 1000++++ and counting Israelis will lead to. They didn't do this to start debating peace.
29 minutes ago, karbatal said:You should focus your energy into hoping that your government stops behaving like a terrorist group.
Yeah you right my focus right now should be on other stuff.. like hiding in shelter from rockets or check out with people that I know who were hidden for 30+ hours in shelter while hearing terrorist outside and just got lucky they decided not to enter their house, and when the army got them out, all they sew is dead bodies everywhere. Yeah I should really check on them.
"Yeah but you keep ignoring the actions of tour government who keeps on killing Palestinian"
I'm not. You really have no idea what my political opinions are and you totally missed my point here.
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4 hours ago, karbatal said:
Time to include the Israelí government in the list of terrorist groups. Please remember this when Lebanon’s Hezbollah commits a terrorist attack.
Hezbulla and hamas has already attack Israel from the north. "Please remember it when they attack"???
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What the fuckkk
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Fuck
Hezbulla===Hamas===al queada===Isis
They literally keep on firing rocket to the north of Israel since around the begging of the week.
I can't even express how stupid you all look making statements on things that you have zero *zero* ZERO knowledge on.
God
You know what. It is what it is. I really should stop enter here
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Oh do not get me wrong. Israel is making a chaos in Gaza right now and Huge amount of people are going to die. I'm saying that Thinking that there's any communication between Palestinian and Israel right now is illogical. Again, I'm not saying that they are not getting hurt. Blame hamas. They knew exactly what is going to happened. They didn't thought they are gonna murder Israel.
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6 minutes ago, debord said:
You're just illustrating exactly what I said? So it doesn't matter if the IDF keeps saying it has no info on beheadings, then says it won't confirm them, and no-one can verify it, cos Hamas are bad anyway, but someone reporting what medical organisations and charities working in Gaza are saying are believing lies? You literally have nothing going on but an obsessive belief that Israel is entirely in the right and Palestine is completely evil and wicked.
Hamas is completely evil and wicked, not Palestine
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3 minutes ago, karbatal said:
It’s normal. Maybe they have no idea of what is happening there. For example Palestine health workers given permit by Israel to go grab injured people only for the ambulances to be bombed. It happened yesterday.
And here again, my point. You are so quick to question the integrity of stories that you see about action done by hamas on Israelis, but you are so quick to belive a complete illogical story like that.
In no way Palestinian asks Israel permission to enter areas with ambulances to take care of injured people. Do you really think that Palestinian will ask anything from Israel right now? That there is any communication between Israel and Gaza? Yeah? No, there is zero communication between them
If israel wants to bomb an ambulances and medical worker, they can just bomb rhe hospitals or medical center without pulling tricks
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14 minutes ago, debord said:
I'm wrong after producing members of the Israeli government admitting it? How far down the rabbit hole are you?
And yes, it does matter if someone claimed to be murdered is still alive. The response to that isn't 'it doesn't matter cos it's still bad', cos we're adults with functioning minds and the truth matters in this situation. You can't complain about people questioning stories but also respond to spreading incorrect info by saying you're still basically right and it's the people who are correct who are still the issue.
The false information about that specific girl (her name is Shani btw) was semi-false at first because that the only evidence abut her place was the video of her body on a back of a truck in the middle of crowd in Gaza. So everybody thought thay she is dead. Afterwards, her mother or sister said that they got information that she is alive and she was only unconscious. There wasn't any intention to spread false information about her.
Than Agian like I've said before. I don't know where you are from nor I care. You keep arguing with me about x y as if they change any bigger picture. They don't.
I really don't see any point to keep up with this. I don't care what you think aboit what I'm trying to do over here. I'm not doing propaganda over here in a madonna forum. Some opinions of madonna fans are not gonna effect anything. There is no point for me to spread false information, I'm not gaining anything from this.
Belive me, or don't, it really doesn't matter at the end of the day
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10 minutes ago, debord said:
No, you haven't just put 'reporters', you've put outright propagandists and clips without context too, then get furious when some of the veracity is questioned. You brought up the 'murdered' German woman whose mother then said she was alive. You repeatedly and angrily denied Israel had used chemical weapons then have just steadfastly avoided the topic when you were proved wrong. As I said, if anyone pointed towards the scores of videos online suggesting Israel is now using chemical weapons on Gaza, I'm sure you'd suddenly be very keen on independent verification, so let's at least have the same standards consistently.
All of the videos in the links I've shared are from Israel, with Israelis (or tourists) victims.
And yes, you absolutely right about the German woman, at first everyone thought that she was dead in the video but apparently she was just unconscious. What a relief!!! They didn't paraded her dead naked body, thay paraded her unconscious naked body after kidnapping her to Gaza. Ohhh what a relief
And I avoided the topic because there's no point. I'm still saying you are wrong.
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4 minutes ago, debord said:
No-one is saying children haven't been murdered. On both sides. People are questioning a very specific claim about beheadings, which shot around the world and has then been retracted because no-one can verify it and the IDF says it won't verify it 'because it would be disrespectful' (while they have already rushed out social media adverts using the claim). You already presented social media images as proof of Palestinian barbarity and they turned out to be images of Palestinian children, so 'there are images on social media' doesn't really mean much here.
The fuck are you talking about? I didn't put any images over here. I did put twitters links of reporters or textes. None of these has anything to do with children at all and I'm definitely not gonna put stuff like these here or false information.
But whatever... Think whatever you want
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2 hours ago, karbatal said:
In the end it was not true that about the babies. But they got what they wanted, that people didn’t speak about the babies really dying in Gaza.
I planned to mute this conversation and not respond anymore. But I will respond to this - there are images on social media, you just need to look for them. there is an official list of victims ( so far), you will be shocked to see their ages. Stop writing that it's not true. just stop. I'm definitely not gonna put the list here, but If you want, DM me.
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3 hours ago, sotos8 said:
Never in my life,I remember such a denial for horrible stuff that happened after terror attacks. I see so many people, here and on social media doing their best to proof that there were no beheaded children as if this is what makes Hamas more human. There is literally footage all over social media of images and videos and reportes of so many networks of burned houses, ruins, burned bodies, terrorists shooting everywhere, people grabbed into Gaza, there's a video of terrorists with an axe crashing a person..... there are survivors who are telling the most horrible stories that you can imagine.
But no. People are doing their best to deny, to find justification and there are protestors in so many countries that are celebrating, mocking Jewish like "Ohh people died??? Booohoooo
" and feeling proud.
I don't remember people after 9/11 were like - "well yeah but like I mean they probably were nice to them at these planes soooo......." or "well yesssss but I mean like, USA did horrible stuff in the past sooooo......." or after Isis terror attack "well I mean but we should really ask why??? Soo... and probably they just used a bomb, they didn't like butchered people. I mean do you remember how many people died because of the USA??? Soooooooo........"
Disgusted. Really
People really don't understand what happened. Or they do but try really hard to dehumanize Israel. Disgusted by the world right now and it makes be more afraid. Disgusting. It's not about Jews and Muslims, it's about a fucking terrorist worst than isis that went wild on people. Not only Jewish, not only Israelis. There are so many Arabs and people around the world that were murdered and kidnapped In these events...
Disgusting
I knew that Israel would never get support from the world but after something like this? Disgusting
"Buttt I m3ann likeeeee, let's try to seee their perspectiveeeeeee"
Fuck you all really
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He just prooved my point
HAMAS=ISIS
bye
https://www.instagram.com/p/CyJfMkEubQ0/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1711535726179803451?t=ZGL7iIMGbIL71xYlNZGOWA&s=19
https://twitter.com/FreifeldRacheli/status/1711781082394144885?t=Y-b9YS2NuTkrDSzohAXSrQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1711848085058469968?t=yVmbBsr4Ftr2yP-NugOt7A&s=19
https://twitter.com/HonestReporting/status/1711006146641703165?t=xuomhkX7I_M0fiCEAYqNvw&s=19
https://twitter.com/TreyYingst/status/1711754344821821616?t=HmTeTzkA7rZwULRgZKg3fw&s=19
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1 hour ago, karbatal said:
How many times do we have to say that we agree that the terror attack from Hamas is horrible beyond words?
At this point is clear that what you want to read is that we agree that Gaza deserves to be annihilated. You only complain about our opinions criticizing the attack from Israel against civilians. So say it clearly.
No that's not what I want at all.
I want that all people around the world will condemn Hamas, admit that they are no different from Isis and that they are the real problem of Palestine without using any whataboutism and without denying their horrible actions because it doesn't fit some narrative. Literally, I've seen images of children beds fill with blood, and videos of reporters from ABC, BBC, sky news reporting from these cities with shocked look and someone over here gets into an argument with me that the death of 40 kids from one of cities is fake news but really have the urge to mention that Israel used chemical weapons
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1 minute ago, debord said:
Israel ADMITTED USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS! Jesus Christ, how in denial are you? Google it!
"Blurry images on social media". Christ. I repeat, the IDF ITSELF has said it has so evidence this has happened. Meanwhile at least 260 children have been killed in Gaza in the past couple of days, on top of the at least 47 Palestinian kids murdered before this month in 2023.
Israel never admitted usage of chemical weapons!!!!! Never!!!!
Fucking look fir social media videos and images from the recent event!!!! There are so many videos of woman and children being dragged, kidnapped and so many horrible stuff!!! Fucking listen to the news. Everybody is reporting these stuff!!!!! It all over gucking social media!!!!!
But whatever bye see ya in celebration tour in Amsterdam if I'll live by then
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28 minutes ago, debord said:
The decapitated babies story came from a single source, which is discredited. The IDF has even said it has no evidence of it. Suggesting it's true because Hamas killed people is absolutely ridiculous.
And yes, Israel has used chemical weapons. Saying there's a possibility they haven't now is one thing, saying it has never used them is just a flat lie.
Israel never use chemical weapons. Period.
The 40 dead kids from one city (including babies) with some of them decapitated is real ad it gets. I'm not gonna post it here. Use Google translate to Hebrew and search the word babies. There are blurry images on social media. These are stuff that soldiers that are there said to people. I don't care about the single reporter from i24 or whatever. There are a lot of people that volunteer and gives food, clothes and stuff for soldiers that in the area, a lot of people are saying that the soldiers tell them about stuff that still havent been published and they this is much worst than action been done by Isis. Hamas=Isis period.
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19 minutes ago, debord said:
Given you passed off the already discredited video of kids in cages as being Hamas, and above posted about decapitated babies which is already being walked back, you've got quite a cheek to talk about 'false images' and 'semi-truths'. Orgs like Human Rights Watch have documented Israel's use of chemical weapons in Gaza while Israel denied it. Hilariously, despite denying it, they then announced they would stop using it in 2013. So I'm inclined to believe the scores of videos from Gaza showing it being used as part of the campaign against civilians there.
1. The decapitated babies is real. In one cities there are 40 bodies of babies and children with some of the decapitated. It's real. I don't need to use this story to create a shocking image. There are enough videos that Hamas terrorists upload in social media of murdered people, videos of them starting to burn down houses, young people rub for their lives in a festival and dead bodies of woman being paraded in Gaza. Don't belive it whatever the other cases are well all over social media. There a woman and daughter that got photos of the dead grandma from her phone being send by the terrorists. Another story about kids is not gonna change the value of the level of their psychotic barbarian behavior. And you are calling the campaign... this is just sick
2. Again it's a lie. Israel never used chemical weapons. Never. Don't belive this? Fine whatever I really don't care.
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8 minutes ago, debord said:
You keep posting people repeating what Hamas has done but you take issue with even mild opposition to Israel carrying out collective punishment to murder countless civilians and using chemical weapons?
First - No
Second - Israel never used chemical weapons. This is a complete lie... look for a proof for that, tell me if you find something.
This is what I'm talking about, you have a false image of the area. You've been fed up with so many semi-truths and lies that you will never believe thing that doesn't fit this narrative. But that's OK, there is really no point to have this argument
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Blind idiots
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17 minutes ago, promise to try said:
I agree that is not acceptable to kill even one person.But, do you know, a lot of people see Israel´s politician´s in the same way you have talked about hamas, right?
I have a lot of criticism on israeli politicians. I think that the main person to blame on Israel side Is Benjamin Netanyahu. He was the leader of every government for more than a decade. They let this monster to grow. I've been protesting this government this whole year for their actions. If you followed what been going on in Israel this year, you probably know what I'm talking about.
But when it comes to dealing with terrorism, There is no other way. Israel most defend itself cause if not, the recent event was only spoiler
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6 minutes ago, promise to try said:
and do you think, before saturday´s attack, some kind of negotiation was possible?were the palestinians seen as a partner to negotiate?
not now, but before this saturday´s attack, a lot of people (outside of israel) were in favour of a negotiation as the only way of salving the situation.well, at least around me, and in most of the media that I read/see/hear.The palestinians were portraid as the victims. Now everything has changed, but I think there´s a lot of media pro and against each of them everywhere. Well, the ones in favour of israel are mostly around the USA.
I ment to say that Israel never had any partner to negotiate with and now, after Saturday It should become clear to the whole world. Like I've heard just now that there are bodies of 40 babies and kids in one of the cities they've invaded, some without their head. You can't negotiate with this kind of thing.
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1 minute ago, whyme? said:
The population also dramatically shifted for other reasons we know. Practically all the Jews from middle eastern countries (from Morocco all the way to Afghanistan) had to leave their countries and Israel was their only hope. So the population shifted to Jewish. Why didn’t Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon grant their Muslim brothers citizenship instead of keeping them in rotten refugee camps for decades!?!?
The UN partition of land in 1948 was probably the smartest thing that was done there in the last 80 years. Two states for two peoples. Instead, 5 Arab countries attacked the new state of Israel and there have been wars ever since. Israel made the best of the shitty desert land it got and created one of the biggest economical miracles of the last century. A true bastion of democracy, education and technology that its Arab neighbors should have LEARNT FROM AND BENEFITTED FROM instead of attacking and killing them!
Meanwhile, the Palestinians leadership was rotten to the core and instilled a toxic culture of victimization and hate into its people. This is why I always say - get rid of Hamas and these horrid extremist groups. It just hurts the Palestinian people and makes Israel even more hawkish.
Period
Israel and Hamas war
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Israeli here
Not gonna get into this whole conversation, no point for that, it will lead to nowhere
Just wanted to say:
We are not asking your permission to exist
I will stop here because if I'll keep saying what I think about what you wrote, I'll probably get ban, and i still want to get Madonnas updates