Moka

And what about these datas : Clinton : 16,847,084 / Sanders : 13,168,222.

The irony of all this is that in a few years from now, America will remember the Obama years as the time when America was great : economic wealth, open mindedness, equality, tolerance and peacefulness.

They both shaded our queen, so they deserve some pay back

I don't remember people mocking her face or her body on this forum. But I do remember people criticizing her copycat speeches, her luxurious lifestyle (compared to the "hard working" rhetoric of her husband) and the hypocrisy of her husband toward illegal immigrants (while she was working illegally in the US when she came for the first time). I hope you can see a difference between this and mocking her face... Don't worry : the witch is dead now. No more wars and persecutions in Middle East, right?

That's not just him, some others appeared out of nowhere in the Madonna thread and said the same things. I agree 100%. Spazz mocked children who committed suicide and now he's posting pictures to mock Michelle Obama compared to Melania Trump. That's not really something we're used to see on this website and nothing can excuse that behavior.

They were a minority before the election (maybe one or two), now they seem to have invaded the website. Madonna is called "embarrassing" and "pathetic" for expressing herself on the Trump election and no one seems to care. That's not the MadonnaNation I knew and that's very sad.

Yeah, she really looks like the First Lady of the "we the people" "hard working" "anti-establishment" movement

Hillary won the popular vote. Even without the superdeleguates she would have won. There was no "DNC cheating" despite the Trump rhetoric about it. The only thing that the DNC leaks showed was that some members of the DNC wanted Hillary to win and wanted to do some things against Bernie (like talking about his religion) but that was never used against him in the campaign. After all that "Hillary is a liar and a cheater" and "the election is rigged", how ironic is it that Trump was the real dishonest candidate, lying on everything. Now his "muslim ban" and many other promises have disappeared from his website, as well as his attacks against "crooked Hillary" who's suddenly praised by Trump in his speech about her 30 years in public service. And it's the same for the "rigged system". Yeah it was rigged but in his favor : from the FBI to the medias talking 95% of the time about her emails.

This!

There's no margin of error in elections, you count how many people voted for each candidates and that's it.

Well, she was extremely popular when she left the State Department (65%). The real question is : how did she became so unpopular since she declared her candidacy? Now look at the republican witch hunt committees, the "Clinton Cash" book (paid by republicans), the "crooked" nickname, the "email" madness in the medias, the leaks, the FBI letter... I'm starting to believe that in order to win an election in the US, you have to be the most unsuspected candidate, since your opponents won't have the time to plan a long witch hunt to discredit you. That's what is sad, really.

Let's be honest : it's easy to blame everything on Hillary (and yes she has her flaws), but there are many other reponsibles for the Trump victory (including Trump himself, the medias, the republicans, Assange, the rural America, the DNC...). The "Obama coalition" (African-Americans, Latinos...) didn't turn out for Hillary, that's a fact. But how can you know that Bernie would have done better? He couldn't even convince the democrats in the primaries (Hillary won with a margin of 3.7 millions votes). As I said before, Trump defeated 11 of the best republicans, he hijacked the party and the medias with his rhetoric and storytelling. It's unprecedented in the history of the US. Now if anybody could defeat him, why did Bush, Cruz and Rubio lost in the most humiliating way? Do you really think Trump wouldn't have found devastating angles against Biden, Warren or Sanders like "Crooked Hillary", "Little Marco", "Low energy Jeb"? Do you think the conspiracy websites (that his fans love so much) wouldn't have invented stories about Biden or Sanders healths? Do you think the russians and Assange wouldn't have hacked and leaked damaging things about them?