elayman
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Look. I for one don't live in la la land. No matter if its Bernie or Hillary as long as the Congress or even one branch of Congress remains republican, NOTHING IS GETTING DONE so I totally agree with you. Like I have said a billion times, my main issue right now is the Supreme Court and getting the majority in that to assure that at least in that area this country can progress on a lot of issues instead of regressing back to the stone age under a republican getting to nominate a handful of judges. My hope is that IF a republican wins one of these really old judges that leans left wont retire and will keep their old ass on that bench until a democrat can replace them. And I hope none that are left leaning die while a republican is in the WH.
That being said I think most Bernie supporters would get out and vote for Hillary when push comes to shove come election time, but that could go down the drain if it doesn't look like she won the primary fair and square. I mean lets be real. Bernie CRUSHED her in NH yet they walk away with the same amount of delegates? Give me a break.
Before you go dumping any more on the Republicans, as of now even House Democrats have distanced themselves from Sanders and his platform of massive tax increases (probably Clinton's also...). On the delegate thing, there could be razor thin distinctions between pledged or committed or whatever Superdelegates that would allow them to change candidates later if Hillary becomes too toxic or to reflect actual vote totals and align more closely with voter preferences. Hopefully.
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I think Trump winning the GOP nom would be ok because even Bernie can probably beat him, and if Bernie wins the Dem nom, we need a weak GOP frontrunner. I want Rubio OUT of this race tomorrow.
It is still hard for me to see a viable path for Sanders even to the nomination. Although one thing that may boost his chances would be Bloomberg going Independent. if that happens, it would kill Hillary but especially with the right running mate and outreach to minorities Bernie could leverage a certain benefit in the mind of the average person from running against two billionaires. There are definitely still too many unknowns after two states.
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The legislator quoted in that article makes it clear that everyone involved knows it's an unconstitutional non-law from the beginning, which no one will try to enforce. It's just the right-wing having their little bit of theater to make sure that they're on record being on the proper godly side of the issue, etc.
The legislator quoted in that article makes it clear that everyone involved knows it's an unconstitutional non-law from the beginning, which no one will try to enforce. It's just the right-wing having their little bit of theater to make sure that they're on record being on the proper godly side of the issue, etc.
The legislators were trying to strengthen animal cruelty laws designed to keep pets out of the hands of animal abusers but because the bills were linked had to leave in old, unenforceable language criminalizing sodomy to get it passed. There needs to be a measure striking all unconstitutional laws from the books basically so nothing is singled out and everyone can go ballistic together.
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The Clintons survived 3 presidential campaigns, the Lewinsky scandal, an impeachment, a suicide in the White House, a financal scandal, a 11-hour testimony and many other accusations.
And you think a stupid story about some emails will break her?
There is no real question that Hillary violated security protocols, repeatedly, and depending on what top secret info was on the server and how often it was hacked a strong case to be made that she put lives in danger by doing so. Lesser members of the intelligence community really have gone to jail for similar offenses. Her hope now is for pure political immunity, making herself too big to prosecute by sewing up the Democratic presidential nomination. Her highest priority is to reassure nervous Democrat voters and power brokers that she’ll survive the email scandal, which I am starting to doubt. The negotiating over her nomination at the convention should be quite interesting.
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I agree. There's so much "we can't" talk instead of "we can" or "let's try". If we keep saying "we can't" then we can't! The wealthy and corrupt are counting on us to say "we can't" so that nothing ever changes.
For one thing because we are already 19 trillion in record debt (more than 45 trillion in unfunded mandates) which is going to require funding from other tax sources or borrowing . that not even Democrats are going to propose doubling that for a bunch of free programs that most Americans don't even want and would never consider voting into effect.
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Comment sections are generally not the best source of evidence. Just look at comment sections about Madonna
Yeah but this is from a reliably liberal columnist for The Washington Post which is a generally left leaning paper (although maybe less so since Jeff Bezos bought it a couple years ago).There is also other stuff coming out on CNN that the White House is "terrified" Hillary is blowing up her campaign for not releasing the transcripts of Wall Street speeches etc. We'll see soon enough how much is temporary panic over Sanders and how much is the establishment waking up and slowly starting to get it.
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Debate was dreadful and painful to watch. Bernie looked/reeked from weakness and submissiveness...even borderline senile :/ Not feelin the Bern..sorry. Hillary was angry, cunty and even more unlikable than ever. Two atrocious, UN-electable candidates! Hope the 'rumblings' are correct that the Dems are working to do 'something' crafty just make it look there's a legit reason she needed to get out of the race!
A draft Joe Biden column in the MSM : first time I've had the pleasure this election season.
By a liberal editorial writer no less. The comments were running 90% against Hillary, not so surprising when her supporters don't have a leg to stand on...it's just that Biden isn't the answer either. There simply isn't enough time for him to compete, especially with his electoral handicaps. Biden needed to start a year ago just to have a chance -- when the email story first broke. -
Too bad Bernie won't win because he clearly is the best candidate.
The Democrats have really backed themselves into a corner this time and unfortunately it is too late for another candidate to get into the primary race, which means another candidate will have to come out of the convention, or after. There are probably rules that allow a switch in cases of health or death, but I don't think the rules allow a switch because "our candidate might lose."
If that happens, they are dead in the water. Even the most hapless Republican candidate will win in a walk. How are the Dems going to convince independents to vote for a candidate that even their own supporters didn't get a chance to vote for ? So I think most likely, Hillary wins the nomination. She gets SC and the southern states, probably NY and most of the midwest and, eventually, Bernie fades. But her poll numbers for the general will be terrible, and the powers that be in the party will be looking for a way to get rid of her, if they aren't already planning that.
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Wow, it was tight! Congrats to Hillary!
And it's good that Trump didn't win. I hope he ate his wig
But the concession speech was very gracious and humble. The first time that he didn't mention the word "poll"
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Part of me wonders if the turnout for the dems wasn't as massive in 2008 simply because the stakes aren't as high yet.
What I mean by that is, the dems by and large still love Obama, and with Hillary and Bernie you have two people that I honestly think most dems would be fine with either one, so there isn't this HUGE motivation to really take part yet as there was in 2008 when dems were looking for the right person to take back the White House after 8 years of one of the worst administrations our country has ever seen.
With republicans no matter what Obama does he will always be the devil to them, so their desire to take back the White House and "take back America" is MASSIVE right now and they are lining up behind Ted Cruz or Donald Dump or Rubio like crazy to make sure their candidate that they think has the best bet of winning does win the primary.
My point is they have massive motivation right now to vote, where a segment of dems just might not feel it yet which I think would obviously change come general election time when these people see how "life and death" the situation is with whatever nutcase republicans nominate.
I don't know...that was supposed to be how Romney would win in 2008 also....
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What's concerning is Iowa was meant to be one Bernie's better states while being an alright one for Hillary. This tie could help with momentum, but the South will be a problem. The best outcome that Bernie campaign can hope for is that people see the tie as maybe meaning Hillary isn't inevitable after all.
Hillary isn't inevitable for sure particularly if her legal issues heat up but when Bernie can't win outright with all the white liberal college kids in Iowa, there are only a few states left that are going to be possible for him.
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The voting in Iowa doesn't start for another 2-3 hours and it will take a few hours after that to tabulate results. We should know (or have some ideas of) who the winners are by about 10PM Eastern tonight. Hopefully. If the numbers are super close, it might take until tomorrow morning.
Hopefully it will be faster for the GOP since they actually have a secret ballot for the first time this year. Which if anything would seem to be a secret advantage for Trump if people don't have to voice their preference out loud in a normal caucus format.
We should have a good idea which candidates will benefit once we get a good idea as to the turnout. 
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Feel the Bern, putas! A man who was basically unknown a few months ago caught up with one of the most well known politicians alive right now.
WOOOOOOOO
Both candidates are spectacularly bad. I suspect that the bulk of Democratic voters will stay home. If the voter turnout is, say, fifty percent less than in the past, will the party rethink who they run? Or will they blame the weather?
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One could argue that Obama didn't have the "look" of a leader or a president either, considering that he is black and all U.S. presidents that came before him were white. So, we are going to discount a guy because he doesn't have the right "look"? How about voting for a man or a woman because he or she is correct on the issues and isn't bought and paid for by corporations? Instead, let's vote for the typical, Wall Street-fed politician because he or she has that look of being presidential. Again, I'm glad that I vote on issues and not on looks or lisps.
I wouldn't mind many of his proposed programs if there was aggressive oversight and the right people were in charge. But the right people are NEVER in charge :in fact I doubt they exist.
And on a cheerier note, voting results will come up quick after the Iowa Caucus (it's 2016 not 2012 -- no more waiting two weeks for accurate results
)Microsoft has a cloud based voting system keeping track of votes. Tablets Android, Window, Ipad with Microsoft Apps and cloud software are involved
Go to this link and look for the video in the middle of the page and watch it.
I think this sounds like a good system
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I’d take a guess that the hundreds of FBI agents on this case are now aiming it at the Clinton Foundation and looking at donations, timing, and what favors were promised. If any of these classified reports went into the Clinton Foundation server....who read them....who shared them....and did any foreign contributors get the information. Hillary and her aides most likely didn't go to the end of the earth to resist State Department suggestions to use an official email address for the thrill of it. Trump may have had to deal with the mob to get anything done in the 1980's NYC construction industry but at least he has never been accused of breaking any laws.
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First of all, the Sullivan message was never confirmed to actually contain classified material in the talking points. State Dept officials routinely send non-classified info via secure fax regardless and there is no evidence of wrong-doing there.
And if she admitted to a felony publicly - you say it yourself right there - then how is she making a false statement? How is she obstruction justice if her public statements are validating your argument?
It's funny you should bring up statutes...
18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information
(b) As used in subsection (a) of this section—The term “classified information” means information which, at the time of a violation of this section, is, for reasons of national security, specifically designated by a United States Government Agency for limited or restricted dissemination or distribution;They have already stated the emails previously discussed were NOT classified AT THE TIME of transmission. If they were retroactively classified, she is not guilty of this particular statute.Anyway, I am done defending Hillary on this particular topic. I really don't think even a logical discussion is changing anyone's mind and I think most people here have already decided to hate her regardless of any facts. If some of you are so certain of her indictment then I guess you have nothing to fear - you believe she'll be indicted and her campaign will fail. Since you are so certain, it must come to pass.
The point is that Clinton didn't know, or hasn't said in her defense that she know, whether it contained classified information or not and that is beside the point of whether she gave the order to have a header unlawfully altered. Hillary didn't tell Sullivan to remove the classified information from the talking points. If everything was unclassified it likely wouldn't have been so urgent, wouldn't have been marked as classified and wouldn't have been attempted to send for several hours over a secure fax.
Two Inspectors General I believe flagged email that contained highly classified info on the North Korean nuclear program and Iran nuclear talks from the moment they were generated, either "top secret" or "secret." And that was before the "top secret" dump which should have been unambiguously ascertained as classified. It was her duty as the nation's chief diplomat with a top security clearance to assess and recognize classified information regardless of official markings.If she was incapable of that basic responsibility than don't do anything dodgy over an unsecured server that was no doubt hacked on numerous occasions. Reuters in an independent review found dozens that were classified "secret" at the time. So that is an ongoing dispute. Just as her email assertions continue to change over time.It is a moot point in any case if there is any document Clinton signed acknowledging that negligent handling of classified information, whether marked or unmarked, could seriously jeopardize national security. To never deal overtly with sensitive information she was obviously well aware of the importance of classified markings and had ordered her aides to defeat that system.
Which is why any rank and file member of the intelligence community would have been shown the door immediately after having been suspected of mishandling sensitive information.They would be in prison, heavily fined and been barred from ever receiving a security clearance again.
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Well, I am not Hillary so I can't answer that. However, the State Department has said that emails must be marked "Classified" with certain markers in order for someone to know the email contains sensitive information. They did say no one would know for sure without that marker, so Hillary likely escapes blame because the sender didn't mark it properly. I realize that is very tenuous defense, but that's the law and "technically" she didn't break it if she wasn't told it was classified. That's her out.
Please post links to those emails you say show her active criminal intent. I would love to read them and have a good reason to vote for Bernie.
Well, that is her story to the one cover up email that drawn scrutiny so far -- that she needed the talking points ASAP and was convinced the sender wouldn't do anything reckless. But whether Sullivan sent the email or not is irrelevant. The fact that Hillary, as SoS, instructed him to remove the headers of a classified message and send it unclassified is a Felony. Period.
“This is another instance where what is common practice — I need information, I had some points I had to make and I was waiting for a secure fax that could give me the whole picture, but oftentimes there is a lot of information that isn’t at all classified,” Clinton said Sunday on "Face the Nation." “So whatever information can be appropriately transmitted unclassified often was. That’s true for every agency in the government and everybody that does business with the government.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/09/us/hillary-clinton-email-state-department.html?_r=0
On a Friday morning in June 2011, after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had waited more than 12 hours for a set of talking points to be sent to her, a top aide told her the delay was because staff members were having problems sending faxes that would be secure from probing eyes.
“If they can’t, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure,” Mrs. Clinton responded in an email released early Friday by the State Department, one of about 3,000 newly released pages of Mrs. Clinton’s emails during her time as secretary of state. Of those, 66 documents contained classified information.
The note she sent to the top aide, Jacob J. Sullivan, instructing him how to strip sensitive material of official markings and send it in a “nonsecure” way is heavily redacted, so it is unknown what the talking points were about.
Obstruction of justice, Making false statements, Destruction of evidence, Disclosure of classified information, Classified information on a nonsecured server...Clinton has violated all of these statutes numerous times, just based on the publicly available facts and her public statements. There should be an indictment with several hundred counts coming from the Justice Department. Her national security obligation under the law is to properly handle all classified material, marked or unmarked She knew the rules. She swore to follow them. And now she's pretending those rules didn't exist.
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If you watched the televised announcement today from State Department spokesman John Kirby, you would know that it's the same story that's been peddled by the GOP for months. The documents, totaling 37 pages, were not marked classified at the time they were sent, but are being upgraded NOW at the request of the Intelligence Community because they contain sensitive information.
"All I can tell you definitively is it wasn't marked classified at the time it was sent," Kirby said.This means she's not liable because it was retroactively classified.I completely agree it was stupid for her to use a private email server, but the regulations at State (at the time) did not forbid it. She's not going to be prosecuted.Is that passive-aggressive enough, ULIZOS?
Did she not notice never giving or receiving classified emails ? Guilty of being an incompetent moron or asleep on the job ? Hillary is responsible for her aides that she recruited into this hairbrained scheme not to mention there are emails showing her own explicit active criminal intent to circumvent the law. She may not be prosecuted, that is a political decision, but there is going to be a recommendation for her indictment.
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Blah, Blah, Blah. Those fucking e-mails. She is evil. The worst kind of human being ever to walk the earth. Oh wait, is she even human? Sorry, but the only ones making a big fuss about those e-mails are republicans. Interestingly, I have never ever heard any republican questioning George W. Bush Jr. and Rumsfelds actions during their reign. These two should be considered war criminals and be indicted. Not someone who downloaded some e-mails.
Not exactly. The early emails also show her aides resisting, wondering why this is necessary and generally making a "big deal" about it, they are Democrats right ? Obviously they were forced into the endeavor against their original will. And now the White House. Cutting and pasting from secured servers to email is extremely difficult so someone went to a huge amount of effort and risk to themselves to pull off a circumvention of Obama policy and federal reporting requirements. Fortunately the FBI cares whether the US intelligence system survives, and it will not if the big shots know they can compromise intel for their mere convenience at the cost of a few fined or jailed fall guy aides.
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http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/267269-fbis-clinton-investigation-not-letting-up
FBI's Hillary Clinton email investigation not letting up
Six months after it began, the federal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server shows no signs of slowing down.
Former FBI officials said the length of the probe is not unusual and speculated that a decision on whether to file charges against Clinton or her top aides could come later this year, during the heat of the general election campaign.
“I don’t know that there’s any magical cutoff date,” said Ron Hosko, the FBI’s former assistant director of the criminal investigative division and a 30-year veteran of the bureau.
For Democrats, the extended investigation has become a source of some anxiety, with Republicans gleefully raising the prospect of the Democratic presidential front-runner being indicted.
“It does give pause to Democrats who are concerned that there may be another shoe to drop down the road,” said Andrew Smith, a political science professor at the University of New Hampshire.
The government has been examining the former secretary of State's private email server since last July, when the inspector general for the intelligence community issued a security referral noting that classified information could have been mishandled.
That referral came months after Clinton acknowledged that she had exclusively used a personal email address housed on a private server during her tenure as secretary.
The scrutiny of her email practices has mounted since then, with more than 1,300 emails that passed through her server found to contain information that has since been classified, some at the highest levels.
The State Department and Clinton’s campaign contend that none of the information in the emails was classified when it was originally sent, and they have portrayed the matter as an interagency dispute.
The FBI and Justice Department have refused to discuss the details of their investigation and declined to comment to The Hill.
Officials have indicated that the bureau is not targeting Clinton specifically, however, but is investigating whether any information on her account was mishandled. Earlier this month, Fox News reported that the FBI had expanded its inquiry to examine how the State Department’s work intersected with the Clinton family foundation.
In December, FBI Director James Comey pledged that the probe would be “competent,” “honest” and “independent.”
“We don't give a rip about politics,” he told a Senate committee.
Yet the FBI is well aware of the high political stakes surrounding the investigation.
“I think the clock ticks louder every day,” said Hosko, who is the president of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund. “I’m sure they’re all incredibly sensitive to it.”
President Obama has downplayed Clinton’s email setup, claiming that it was “not a situation in which America’s national security was endangered.”
Multiple former officials, lawmakers and lawyers have said they are confident that Comey, who is a Republican, will not let the presidential campaign influence the FBI’s investigation.
Yet many conservatives worry that even if the bureau comes up with sufficient evidence that Clinton broke the law, the Justice Department will decline to press charges. In response, some have pressed for a special prosecutor to be appointed, or for the FBI to pledge to release whatever evidence it digs up.
So far, Democrats have publicly shrugged of the threat of criminal action by painting it as a partisan attack from Republicans.
Clinton’s top rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), channeled the feelings of Democrats in October when he told Clinton during a debate that “the American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails.”
But Clinton will have to confront the issue more forcefully if charges are filed.
And should Clinton win the nomination, the topic is sure to be an issue in the general election campaign — even if no indictment is handed down.
A fight over the emails then could weaken Democratic enthusiasm and turn off swing voters, some analysts predicted.
“More likely, it’s going to sour some of those folks in the middle,” said Doug Roscoe, a political science professor at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth.
“Having to be in the news talking about this investigation takes her off message,” he added.
It might not be Clinton herself who faces the music for any potential crime, however.
The former secretary of State did not appear to send most of the emails now marked classified. Instead, they were largely sent or forwarded to her by aides.
“It’d be a lot harder to make a criminal charge for having received [classified] information," said Bradley Moss, a lawyer who specializes in national security and protection of classified information
“If I’m in Clinton’s campaign, I’m more worried if am Cheryl Mills, Huma Abedin or Jake Sullivan than if I’m Hillary Clinton,” Moss said. Mills, Abedin and Sullivan were all top aides of Clinton’s at the State Department. Abedin and Sullivan continue to hold high positions in Clinton’s presidential campaign.
“The sloppiness and the complete fundamental failure to comply with any aspect of operational and informational security is what puts them at risk,” Moss said. “You just can’t do that that many times and not expect to find yourself in trouble.”
Clinton’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment from The Hill.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35446455
It's about time the White House started throwing her under the bus. Any one of us lowly minions would have been in prison months ago for these violations. Literally.
Hillary Clinton's unsecured home server contained more than a dozen emails deemed "top secret"- one of the highest levels of classification in the US government, the White House has said.
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Lady I work with says his face reminds her of a pussy.
That is the way Trump talks also (being in the construction industry) so they may get along better than you think.
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Fucking clown wagon of sleazy/slimy right wing dolts who all ate each other up alive and melted away one by one lol! The Trump show couldn't handle it w/out him/ its STAR! LOL. Love how the Rethugs keep boasting about the 'numerous quality rock star candidates to choose from' lmao. Out of all of em I loathe the Trump and Kasich the least. He's def. the John Hunstman of this cycle though. The most experienced and successful political record and 'seems' least bat shit bible thumping crazy. Could actually tolerate it if he got the nom (very unlikely) or VP. Reason why the 'establishment' (aka the hard right wing now) despises Trump- they have NO idea what/who they're getting but do know 100% who'll be their bitches (*Rubio, Krispy, Cruz, Jeb! etc...). Looking very, very likely it'll be Trump but slimy opportunist Rubio from Floriduh scares me as much as Cruz. He's just 100x more likable, slick and prettier to the GP but every but as crazy nutty and cock/ass dildo etc..and uterus obsessed as Cruz! I think he may come in a solid second at the last minute in many of the first states.
Who can help but love that badass face ?? ...and so racist and bigoted here, isn't he??
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Is that from a European paper ?
It is crazy. Overthrow the existing political order ? Really ? Bernie maybe. The Republicans are all typical politicians, constantly changing positions and talking about making deals with the opposition. Cruz is the closest we have to an extreme right winger who thinks they have all the answers but quasi fascist ?? I don't think so. And his fellow candidates are liberal Republicans or highly centrist on most issues. -
Not much would change as far as actual laws. Bernie wouldn't get any of his agenda through the Republican House, and Donald wouldn't get anything through a Democratic Senate. It would basically be gridlock for another 4 years.
House Democrats are also running away from Bernie and his agenda of massive tax increases so there will be gridlock either way with Sanders in office. There just isn't going to be a huge increase in federal programs when more Americans see government as the problem and are un-fond of politicians every year.
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It is not just conservatives anymore. Even Pelosi is edging away from Sanders because Dems need the rich to win as well as the middle class. And when you have lost the queen of wanting to increase taxes and expand the power of the federal government you know you are pretty much standing on the battle field all alone.