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  1. I'm guessing that what @XXL was trying to say is that either party will protect the interest of the rich elites and corporate interests that have banked their campaigns. In the end, the ringleaders will still call the shots regardless of who's "in power."
  2. This. The ones that panic in an emergency situation are usually the ones that perish...
  3. When you're on the fence, you can see both sides. And before people go all... No real injustice has happened yet. He's not even president yet. I'll save my energy to when it's really needed.
  4. Bingo! BuzzFeed's decision to publish unverified memos alleging that Russian operatives have compromising personal and financial information about President-elect Donald Trump has set off a fierce debate about the ethics of the decision and the responsibilities of journalists. On Tuesday night, BuzzFeed published a 35 page document compiled by a former British intelligence operative. That publication came shortly after CNN revealed that a two-page synopsis of the document's contents had been included as an annex in the classified materials presented last week to Trump and to President Obama. Among other things, the document -- which is a compilation of memos prepared by the former operative -- describes Russians who allegedly gave information about Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin to the former operative. But while CNN and other outlets did not publish specific details from the memos because they could not be independently verified, BuzzFeed published the memos in full. (After BuzzFeed's publication of the memos, The New York Times added some of the allegations contained in them to its article on the subject.) "The dossier, which is a collection of memos written over a period of months, includes specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations of contact between Trump aides and Russian operatives, and graphic claims of sexual acts documented by the Russians," the BuzzFeed article accompanying the document states. "BuzzFeed News is publishing the full document so that Americans can make up their own minds about allegations about the president-elect that have circulated at the highest levels of the US government," it continues. The publication of the memos was immediately criticized by other journalists, including some who were concerned that BuzzFeed's decision to run the unverified documents would give Trump an opening to dismiss all questions about this information entirely. "Don't know about ethics, but now Trump has easy out," tweeted Mark Horowitz, a veteran journalist who has worked at The New York Times. "Respond fiercely to sketchy BuzzFeed leak, not serious CNN story." "On Twitter, unverified info in a memo is crowding out this quite solid reporting by CNN," New York magazine's Jonathan Chait observed. "This seems preposterous, appalling, opportunistic, and lacking in basic ethics at every level," media columnist Michael Wolff wrote. "Ethics are simple: you shouldn't publish what you don't know to be true." In a memo to his staff, BuzzFeed editor-in-chief Ben Smith explained that he decided to publish the memos because BuzzFeed's "presumption is to be transparent in our journalism and to share what we have with our readers." Indeed, minutes later Trump sent out the following tweet: "FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!" Later, he tweeted out an article from the sympathetic conservative website Lifezette about the publication, adding part of the headline, "'BuzzFeed Runs Unverifiable Trump-Russia Claims' #FakeNews" WikiLeaks, which recently has been in lockstep with the president-elect in criticizing American media, also dismissed the memos: "35 page PDF published by Buzzfeed on Trump is not an intelligence report," the organization tweeted. "Style, facts & dates show no credibility." Michael Cohen, a lawyer for Trump, also dismissed a portion of the memos alleging that he had secretly met with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016. "I have never been to Prague in my life," Cohen tweeted. In a phone call with CNNMoney, Cohen said he had never been to Prague, and said that during the month of August he was in New York and Los Angeles. When asked if he intended to take any action against BuzzFeed over their report, he said, "I'll take it under advisement." In an interview, Smith told CNNMoney that BuzzFeed had a reporter in Prague and did try to independently confirm Cohen had been there. However, Smith declined to respond to Cohen's claim that he had never visited the city. Regardless of the veracity of the memos, within minutes of BuzzFeed's publication of it, some of the more colorful details were already trending on Twitter. Both sides have used fake news. But ultimately what is destroying the credibility of journalism are these faux news outlets (on both sides of the political spectrum) and the so-called "serious" media that gives them airtime.
  5. All of this hoopla ultimately will only undermine the already frail credibility of the American media. It is alarming. The timing is once again suspect. I don't know if it is real or fake at this point to be honest. And I at least try to be well informed, the masses will just pick a side. The loser is the press. Why can't we have a single news outlet in America that doesn't reek of bias from either side of the political spectrum?? The US media created him and now it can't control IT.
  6. Systematic racism is not the same as racial bigotry. Lumping both under the same moniker creates confusion.
  7. So... could the Russian hacking of the DNC server have been an inside job then?
  8. I think Spazz is the only Putin fan here. I've never met any American that is a a fan of Putin but I don't know all Americans, of course. Either way, Trump's Secretary of State pick is very concerning IMO. In reality, world geo-politics for the last century have been centered around the control and management of oil resources. O-Lo® - the Orange Lord - is clearly treating politics as business. His pick is a totally cynical manipulation of the political system. He IS draining the political swamp and filling the corporate swamp. This guy surely knows about oil but will he have the best interest of America or the world on his mind? Or will he try to to benefit his CEO peers? Selfless CEO is almost an oxymoron so... we'll see what happens. We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.
  9. Almost no mention of Allepo in any major news outlet in America. And our Nobel Peace Prize winner seemingly turned a blind eye, Evita, on the matter. Now, the question is how long will Trump blame Obama for his foreign policy fiasco. Oh, but Hollywood will reward immensely a movie showing all of today's atrocities twenty years from now. Meanwhile the script is writing itself right under our noses... Heaven help us all.
  10. Ooh, I have consciously avoided this thread for a while because I figured things would calm down but... Oh, well... That's some truth tea there @Pud Whacker
  11. Wow! He spoke everything I've been trying to say but, of course, with much more eloquence. Thanks for sharing that.
  12. It has been! Thanks for engaging in the conversation.
  13. Oh shut up. Your hyperboles and overuse of the exclamation point (!!!) are just tiresome at this point. No one is defending Trump here. Do you want everybody to just repeat: Trump is a racist!!! He hates women!!! He's the new Putin!!! America is racist!!! Is that what you want? What's the point? Dude, you're not helping your cause.
  14. Well, I guess the feeling is mutual. I will start by saying that I'm probably not the only one frustrated with they way you have been discussing this election in this thread. I don't think you understand how you come off to others by the way you post. But, you are entitled to express yourself in whatever way you want so be it. I will, however, disagree with pretty much everything you posted here. Starting with this: As if those racist, sexist, homophobic people don't belong to right political sections. There are racist, sexist, homophobic people in the left too. Maybe the majority leans towards the right but conservatives don't have a monopoly on these folks. They belong wherever they want to belong. As if the conservatives never had a white supremacy agenda. White supremacy agendas have been part of both parties throughout American history. So, yes, your statement is correct. However, while white supremacists may identify better with conservative views nowadays, it does not mean that conservatives currently have a white supremacy agenda. Some conservatives may be supremacists but that doesn't mean that all of them are. This kind of mentality is what creates bigotry. Lumping a whole class of individual by one single common thread and them labeling them will only exacerbate the "them against us" problem. Guess what? Most terrorists are Muslim, are all Muslims terrorists? Some Mexicans are rapists, are all Mexicans rapists? Please stop calling racists/xenophobes/homophobes all conservatives and blue collar workers that voted for Trump. I'm disgusted by the level of ignorance; the ever increasing need to point fingers; the justification or reasoning for certain backward views! What is ignorance but a lack of education and/or information? People aren't born and decide to become racists. It is a learned trait that spreads with the lack of proper education and economic opportunities. But let's not assume that only the uneducated and poor can be racists/xenophobes. I and other posters have tried (to no avail) to point out the kind of environments that have fostered and fed these ideologies in America. The whole point was to analyze how the Democrats lost the vote of the blue collar worker to a polarizing Republican newcomer. Most posters have not justified racism or backward views, they did try to convey that a vote for Trump was more than just a vote against minorities/women/immigrants.There's a big difference between the former and the latter. Who cares where it comes from or why it's happening? Would that make people feel any better? You can't rationalise hate! Well, not caring about why or where a problem comes from will never help you solve a problem. It is the same as blaming the hate against America in the Middle East on Islamic ideology and disregarding the economic and trade policies that have affected Muslims in that region. And again, no one is rationalizing hate. Calm down. Even in criminal courts they are not interested in the reasons why but they just convict the criminal based on the crime. Prosecutors often try to establish motive (reasons) in order to convince the jury that the defendant is guilty. People are judged by their intent but motives can still play a big part in determining wether or not a jury convicts a person. This statement is just ridiculous. So let's find reasons so that we can all sympathise with the racists and backwards people. Oh but they lost their jobs; they haven't got no money; they feel betrayed. Big effing deal! So what? Who cares, right? They're only human beings. How about them Syrian refugees? They're Muslim and their views on gays and women are backwards according to your Western worldview. "Oh but they lost their homes; they haven't got no money; they feel betrayed. Big effing deal! So what?" You sir, Mr. Stand Against Hate Warrior, will only instigate hate by your generalizations, condescension and disregard for people that are different than you and didn't have the luxury of learning as much as you have. Again, no one is asking anyone to sympathize with any racist or "backwards people" (what does that mean? uneducated? old school?). No one is asking anyone to condone bigotry, what we were trying to show is that this election was not decided solely (if at all) on hate. When will we ever learn that turning to hate will never solve our problems? You did include yourself in the question so, when are you ever going to learn that the way you address "the backwards people" will never solve the problem. Are these people irredeemable? If so, what are your suggestions? Lock them all up and lose the keys? Are you solving any problems by hating them? Are Americans that stupid to realise that? Again, you are lumping a whole diverse nation as a homogeneous group and on top of that you're implying that Americans in general don't have a clear view about our own racial and class problems. Condescending much? I'm disgusted but somehow I'm not shocked. When someone says "I'm not shocked" it implies that you already expected this outcome from us, silly Americans. Stay on your high horse because America in the end will be just fine. Ultimately we deserve what's coming. We who? Americans? What is it that you and I deserve? America becoming Russia? People living in concentration camps? Unlike you, I have faith in this country and its people. We have more that unites us than what separates us even though the media tries its hardest to tell us otherwise. Let's agree on disagreeing and best of luck to you.
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