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4 minutes ago, Moka said:
Are you denying what Trump said about NATO and the US allies?
Are you sidestepping for a third time? "help" that was not asked for?
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1 minute ago, Moka said:
The US allies will certainly ask for help but since Trump announced he wants to destroy Nato and make its allies pay for support, well...
Another sidestep. You're good at this @Moka
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5 minutes ago, Moka said:
Your wish has come true now. Let's see what the world looks like when the US stop intervening to help its historical allies. Things in eastern Europe (with Russia), in Asia (with Japan/China and Corea) and in the Middle East (with Iran / Saudi Arabia) will get very entertaining. Except for those who live there...
I think @Salman is talking about US "help" that was not asked for. @Moka
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25 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
Again, let's get out of there. Don't call for help you don't want it. I think there is one lesson to be learned from all those things. Some countries are just not meant to be democracies. They are centuries behind in their social progress. Leave them alone, they need to pull their asses out on their own. Makes black and white thinking much easier. Live and let live. But the moment those countries attack us in one way or another we will go after you. You had your chance. Who said the first world countries are meant to be the savior of humanity.
I invite you to read Django's posts again. Once you have fomented civil war from outside, or destroyed authoritarian governments and left countries in ruin, you don't get to hit an run and tell people not to ask for your "help". @Raider of the lost Ark
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35 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
Hitler was voted democratically as well. Doesn't change the fact that he was a monster. And so is Assad. But okay, let's get out of there. I bet you and the other Gutmenschen will be the first to cry out loud why the west is not interfering with all the atrocities to be seen.
Gutmenschen are part of the problem. I don't consider myself as one. Now what you do once you have fomented civil war from outside, is NOT HIT AND RUN, like you suggest. Maybe you can start by stopping the flow of money and weapons to nonexistent 'moderate rebels'. Lean on Qatar and Saudi Arabia to stop funding Islamic State, instead of taking their money for campaigning. Maybe actually FIGHT Islamic State. Maybe lean on Islamic dictator Erdogan to fight Islamic State instead of exterminating Kurds. And thanks for the gratuitous Hitler reference. @Raider of the lost Ark
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1 minute ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
What's wrong with trying to get rid of him? He is a murderer. He should be executed.
Very dangerous proposition. For all the horrible things he may be responsible for, he still is the elected government of Syria. Even if by questionable means (I don't know enough about). Did you see what happened in Iraq and Libya after Sadam and Qadafi were killed? The consequences were a big increase in human suffering and loss of human lives.
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59 minutes ago, Moka said:
Don't worry now, evil Obama and Clinton are defeated. Terrorism and war will disappear and the world will live in peace.
Highly unlikely, but nice sidestep. @Moka
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6 minutes ago, Salman said:
the US and Saudi Arabia governments do support Daesh/ ISIS in order to topple Assad so yes that makes them terrorists.
No to mention the war in Yemen.
Sadly true.
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1 hour ago, xMadonnaLoverx said:
Obamas nightmare? What exactly did he do so bad again? Are you insinuating that he or Hilary caused those above events or..?
what are you guys smoking?
Fomenting civil war is a bad thing.
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1 minute ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
No the possibility is not there. I have not seen any state where the number of votes is super close. Therefore no re-count will take place. In addition to that she has conceded already.
My apologies. Am reading this thread, didn't know she conceded yet.
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3 hours ago, ryan said:
i hope he fucking dies
and his vp too
3 hours ago, Barney said:Surely he'll get shot!
3 hours ago, Nikki said:he's gonna get shot and it'll give even more problems.
With the strong emotions he triggers, I was also thinking about that happening. He would need all the Secret Service protection available. It would be awful if it happened. Much better for all to change the balance in midterm elections 2018. But first, let's wait until every last vote is counted.
QUESTION: Is there a possibility of a 2000 Bush-Gore scenario?
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Going to sleep over here in Europe. Thanks for the discussions and the company everyone.
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9 minutes ago, Nikki said:
cant anyone answer this? does it have a big population/many seats?
Yes. After California (55) and Texas (38), it ties with New York for most electoral votes: 29.
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2 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
Hillary Clinton leads in Texas. She is not going to win it. But for the moment.
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2 minutes ago, Pud Whacker said:
nobody cares is applicable everywhere!!!!
it reminds me of Louis CK saying his family kept tolerating each other based on the slogan "fuck it!".
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Just now, Pud Whacker said:
Nobody Cares.
Wrong thread.
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10 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
The most frustrating thing with those results is that you can clearly see all those rural and uneducated people are really voting Trump. Even in deep red states the major cities are all blue.
"...the uneducated people..." I guess you're not big on bigotry either.
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5 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
The fact that you bring Snowden and Assange into the same context says a lot. I to believe Assange anything in regards to Russia? Seriously? This man has become an attention whore over the years. And why would he confirm that Russia is behind the leaks. That's like a reporter disclosing his sources.Oh and sorry, that many people in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe, are not really fond of Russia. You know, many of those countries actually have made some bad experience with Russia/Former Soviet Union in the last 70 years.
Well, what does it say? I didn't say I believed ANYONE, not US Intel, not Assange, not Russia. My point is that it may be wise to postpone judgement regarding the SOURCE of the leak. I have missed CONTENT in all the election talk. From BOTH sides.
Regarding Europe, I said many WESTERN European establishment governments were demonizing Russia. Since I'm from one of those countries, I feel more comfortable talking about them.
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2 minutes ago, Raider of the lost Ark said:
Oh yes, it works perfectly fine for Hungary. A country that has basically a fascist government. A country that wants to reinstate death penalty. A country that does not respect the freedom of press. I could go on. I could go on about Poland with a government that basically wants to get rid of its constitutional court so they can take away certain rights from its citizens. Both countries by far the biggest recipients of EU subsidies. Billions and billions of Euros each year. If those countries suddenly disrespect many of the things that the EU is build on then I get mad. I tell you would I would do if the Hungarian government indeed reinstates the death penalty, I would kick them out of the EU. Plain and simple. Lots of money saved.
Hungary is the only country upholding European agreements regarding borders and immigration. Through a wall. That's all I said.
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2 minutes ago, Icykiller said:
My comments were not directed to anyone in particular @tumbleweedt, just adding my experience to the discussion, that's all. And letting go off the steam of stuff I have been hearing all through the day that just pisses me off. All cool now though, I´l have a drink and go back to mmy normal, apolitical self.
Of course! Me and many of my compatriots found the constant election talk wearying. I can't imagine how taxing the past months must have been in the USA!
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8 minutes ago, Icykiller said:
Pfff... I have lived in the border my whole life: Nogales, Tijuana, now Tucson.... People at the border know each other, have family ties, visit regularly.... It's Mexico City and Washington who magnify shit and conspiracy theories. And on that note, whoever wins won't make a damn difference tbqh. The powers that be are not moving the strings of our lives, I hate that myopic vision of the institutional layers of the world as if individual agency was nonexistent. The sun rises tomorrow y'all. Life goes on, fence or not, broken crystal ceiling or not.
Just my 2 cents. I had avoided this thread, but I guess now it's a good time to share the view of someone who has lived in the border all his life.
BTW I'm Trump's biggest fear: a middle class educated white Mexican. Boo! haha
I can only speak for (parts of) Europe. I do not pretend to know enough about the US-Mexico border to say anything about it. Islamization through European borders is something that I have concerns about, because I see it negatively impacting the society I live in. I guess that aspect is not that important a factor on the US-Mexico border.
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Just now, Pud Whacker said:
Everyone be nice.
looooove Pud!
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18 minutes ago, ULIZOS said:
You guys comparing the U.S.-Mexico border to the Israeli-Palestinian border just goes to show how fucking stupid you are.
Yes, I said it, you're fucking stupid.
Let me get back to reporting the news and I'll be back here to celebrate Clinton's victory in a short while, not because I like her, I loathe her, but just to spite you assholes.
You keep talking in plural? And what's with all the name calling. I don't do that to you, do I ?
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I've been referring to the post by @Salman regarding so called "help" by the US that was not asked for. Such as Libya and Syria (Iraq being pre-2008). And that US "help" hasn't been very helpful over there, to say the least. The autocratic regimes there were awful, but the consequence of destroying them has arguably let to a big increase in human suffering and loss of human lives. I perceived your "sarcastic joke" about evil Obama/Hillary being gone soon and subsequent posts about no more US help to ALLIES, as a sidestep.
Of course the US is THE major ally for NATO countries, basically the backbone of NATO and more. @Moka