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  1. Kurt420

    Trump / US politics thread 🚽

    Sadly, I have to agree that he'll win again barring something drastic of course......which in this current shit show we're living in anything is possible but it's not looking good. I'm definitely not saying it was just that "Susan Sarandon mentality" that got him elected but it contributed.....along with about 50 other things. It was like a perfect storm of things really including what many viewed as an overall "meh" candidate to begin with and Dems in general just not having their shit together.....far too over confident. She had a record number of votes but if only just a few more that may have been "Bernie or Bust", "I can't vote for either" or the independent voters would've voted for her, then she would've got it. Trump really did come at an absolutely perfect time.
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    Trump / US politics thread 🚽

    Pfft....I'd rather have Gaga herself than what we have now. Being chummy with "Hollywood Elites" seems so innocuous compared to the reality now.....and at least she had some sort of political background that could be "sugarcoated". Now we have a narcissistic, fame whore that is doing on the job training that's destroying the world. And before anyone says...."but it could've been worse with Hillary".....maybe so, but we'll never know. I just know I'd rather not be a passenger in a plane where the "pilot" has never seen a cockpit before, even if the other pilot in question may have had a cocktail or two before getting on the plane. But it's ok.....isn't this kinda what some wanted? The Susan Sarandon type crowd? What'd they say? "Trump will bring the revolution"? Soooo, here's the revolution. Enjoy!
  3. Of course I see nothing wrong with wanting diversity of her set lists but one thing that you have to consider is that LAV, LAP, Vogue, EY, Music, Holiday and prob a few others are songs that could really be done on every tour. Those are her biggest hits, EVERYONE knows them and half the audience is there especially for those songs. Only diehard fans like us would find something "negative" about those songs on every tour. As you said, LAV MDNA and LAV RH are two COMPLETELY different performances so I don't see the problem. Same with LAP from S&S to MDNA.....two completely different performances. That's another thing to take into consideration btw....the fact that she changes performances of her songs so drastically so even if she does perform the same songs 2-3 tours in a row, it's not going to be a repeat. The bottom line is that she has thrown songs she hasn't performed in many years into the set list of her two most recent tours. As others mentioned, OYH, DAD, MG, EY, TB.....all songs that had been decades since she performed. You keep going back to S&S and before when according to you, she used to switch up her set lists more. One thing you need to remember though.....she didn't tour for eight years.....and she didn't touch MOST of her 80's classics for ELEVEN years (or more) so just about ANYTHING she performed from '04-'08 was going to feel fresh. Personally, I like your RH tracklist but for a casual fan, GGW and GT in favor of LIB or a "80's medley" of DYU/ITG/LS etc?? Nope....especially considering RH was taking her to places she had either never been or hadn't been in years. I find it interesting you call RH a recycled tour when, if you really break it all down, she performed sooooo many songs on that tour.....I know they didn't all end up on the DVD but nonetheless, as a fan, that was one of her most interesting tours to follow because you never knew what she was going to pull out on any given night. I was lucky enough to see WTG and then the next show I went to, she performed Ghosttown and Secret. I hope mixing it up from night to night is something she continues to explore on future tours. I'm well aware this is going to sound bitchy so I'm ready for the callouts but.....your "critiques" sound like a child that's spoiled (as "children of Madonna" we all are so it's ok)......think about it, you're complaining about two "Spanish themed" LIB performances within 7-8 years of each other and two guitar based BU performances ELEVEN years apart from each other, two consecutive LAV performances that couldn't be further apart from each other in presentation....think about that for a moment....now think about how MANY other acts tour every summer and do the songs the exact. same. way. every. time. Just comes across as a little petty, nitpicky and quite frankly ungrateful.....anytime I see "lazy and uninspired" tacked onto the description of any of her tours it just gets me riled up because NONE of them fit that description.....the woman works her ass off and has a gazillion songs. She's never going to please EVERYONE.
  4. I'm so ready for a bangin Hung Up performance! As much as I love the MDNA Tour and HU, I have to say that performance did fall a bit flat for me as well. What she was doing on stage was cool but the musical arrangement of the song just kinda plodded along.....and HU is most definitely NOT a "plod along" type of song in it's original form. I know it's a "washed up" kind of thing to do and Madonna would most likely never do it but a one off night in an "intimate" venue where she performed the COADF album in it's entirety from beginning to end would be amazing.
  5. Exactly! We already know whatever is current is going to get the most attention. Outside of that, she has to think of the general public somewhat (at least for major arena/stadium tours). This is precisely why I LIKE that she sings A LOT of new material in her shows because who knows if we'll ever get to hear it otherwise? Those that went to CT got to see COADF performed in all it's glory. I'm pretty confident the casual fan at her shows would much rather hear LAP, EY, Holiday for the hundredth time (mind you for a lot of those people it's their first time) than Future Lovers or Let It Will Be (as much as I personally love those songs). At this point, I feel like her 90's hits need more attention than any 00's album tracks (except for the mandatory Candy Shop of course...lol). Highly doubt she hates COADF or any of her albums for that matter but gotta be realistic when you're selecting songs for a massive world tour. With that said, I could definitely see her pulling Sorry out or even Get Together as it's pretty universal....even if a lot of people would think it's a new song....lol. The neglect of so many of her brilliant album tracks is another reason why I'm kinda ready for a smaller, intimate tour....and I don't mean every single tour from here on out needs to be that way but one where she pulls out rare fan favorites would be amazing at this point in her career. Why not?? Intimate and small doesn't have to mean Madonna on a stool with a guitar either....as we saw from her Met performance. The possibilities are endless!!
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    MDNA or Rebel Heart Tour?

    I hate comparing these two tours because they're so different from one another. Her whole approach is different. I love how warm RH is and only in comparison to MDNA is it not as visually spectacular. RH is actually a massive show. The production of MDNA and the cinematic quality it had just blew my mind when I saw it live so my vote has to go with that one. Despite that, I'm glad she went the complete opposite direction with RH and showed another side of herself instead of trying to recreate the MDNA tour in some way. How lucky are we to get a completely different "character" for every tour? To top it off, while we may have our preferences, each and every "character" is executed brilliantly. The woman has NEVER had a bad tour.
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    Is MDNA tour her best ever?

    Oddly enough, this seems to be the one tour that I can throw on and anyone that's over remains glued to the screen for the whole show. For whatever reason, that just doesn't happen with the other tours. Mind you, these aren't diehard fans that are even familiar with the MDNA album. This show really is almost like watching a movie. Cinema come to life. I do agree with one thing, the music itself (not the setlist, I'm perfectly fine with that) is definitely not the best in this tour.....honestly, that's been the case since her "comeback" to touring in '01. I don't think she's had a really great band since Girlie Show. It's all been too "canned" since then. With that said, the MDNA Express Yourself is a HUGE improvement (in all aspects) to the RIT version and I do like how LAP stays somewhat true to the original version.
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    Is MDNA tour her best ever?

    I've seen all the tours from DWT-RH live and MDNA is my favorite. Although the late starts increased as the tour progressed, the show itself improved as she got more and more comfortable with it. She worked her ass off on this show. Anyone not impressed with her on this tour is jaded and that's a fact not an opinion. I don't listen to the noise of "dispirited" people after her shows because that's usually casual fans that want The Immaculate Collection live. That's never going to happen. The tour I heard the most complaints when leaving is DWT yet that's one of her most impressive tours ever. It's just noise.....hopefully those people WON'T be returning on the next tour. I heard complaints about lack of hits when leaving MDNA but I've heard that after every show I've attended. As long as she tries to remain a "current" artist, those complaints will remain. Who cares really? The fact is, more people are raving about her show when leaving than complaining and that's true for any show of hers I've ever attended. The one thing I do wish she'd get in check though are those late starts. I could care less but it is hurting her at this point. Her rating on Ticketmaster is far lower than it should be considering she's one of the best live performers EVER......and if you read through the comments, most of the lower ratings are attributed to the late starts.
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    POWERballads

    Glenn is so 80's hot in this video:
  10. I just can't believe this will end up being their farewell tour. They have to do a tour with Lindsey in a few years.....they can't go out that way. The demand for that tour would be massive now thanks to this. Apparently Lindsey didn't want to go on the road until the end of '19 and the rest of them weren't about that.
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    Time traveling on YouTube

    Listen to what's playing as they enter at 17:40! :-D Lots of other interesting vids on that channel too.
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    Songs that you hate.

    Leave A Tender Moment Alone, Billy Joel (I LOVE a lot of his work though) New Song, Howard Jones Don't Worry Be Happy, Bobby McFerrin Love Shack, The B-52's (I still know every word and do kinda like the video) Walk The Dinosaur, Dino It's The End Of The World As We Know It, R.E.M. More Than Words, Extreme (falls into the once liked but heard so much I'll never be able to like it again category) To Be With You, Mr. Big I Hate Everything About You, Ugly Kid Joe Achy Breaky Heart, Billy Ray Cyrus I'll Make Love To You, Boyz II Men (in fact there's very few of their songs I can tolerate....same goes for most of the 1,000 copycats that followed in their wake in the 90's like All 4 One, Shai etc etc etc) I don't think I like anything by Credence Clearwater Revival or John Fogerty solo.......his voice just grates my ears. I second others in this thread that talk about the 90's......don't get me wrong. So much great music came from the 90's too but the stuff played on radio, while I liked a lot of it at the time, it got soooooo played out!! It seems like 90's hits stuck around FOR-EVER on the radio. To this day I can't listen to a lot of them....honestly, Whitney's death is what made me start listening to her '92-'95 era hits again. Still can't listen to Hootie, most 90's Bryan Adams ballads, a lot of Celine.....lots of 90's ballads overall. I know there's much more but I can' think of all of it now.
  13. As Veteran Pop Acts Like Justin Timberlake and Katy Perry Struggle on the Radio Charts, Some Thoughts In recent weeks, there's been a lot of scrutiny of recent projects by established pop superstars. Justin Timberlake's kick-off single from Man of the Woods, "Filthy," stalled at No. 16 on Billboard's top 40-based Pop Songs airplay chart and the follow-up, "Say Something" (featuring Chris Stapleton) is still waiting to reach the top 10. Taylor Swift's "Look What You Made Me Do" went to No. 1, but didn't linger there, and subsequent singles have stopped short of being consensus hits. Somewhat similarly, P!nk's "What About Us" hit No. 10 after a three-month climb. Given the nature of pop radio, career trajectories are under constant scrutiny. Swift's Reputation is still a 2-million-selling album, according to Nielsen Music, and one of the few that is. But producing fewer hits than her previous 1989 is the subject of this week's Billboard Chart Beat Podcast with Gary Trust and Trevor Anderson. And Timberlake's stumble prompted an e-mail from a reader asking if there was a turnover in pop's core artists. There's a lot to consider. There Are Few "Automatics," If Any: Top 40 radio is tighter than at any time in recent memory. In part, that's because the mother/daughter coalition that powered the format for a decade is fracturing. There's not much consensus on anything. Has mainstream pop been upstaged by hip-hop and R&B? Most of those hits are struggling for top 40 airplay commensurate with their stories elsewhere. At this moment, there are few "automatics" -- acts guaranteed to go top five each time out. You can write a story about radio not bringing Timberlake's recent hits home, but you can also write it about the resistance to the last few Chainsmokers singles. Longtime Hitmakers Are in a Trick Bag: Why the era of fun, uptempo pop beloved by both mothers and daughters is waning is a column unto itself, but there are clearly challenges for the artists who defined the "turbo-pop" era of 2005-12 (or thereabouts). Were listeners unwilling to accept social commentary from Katy Perry or P!nk? Would they have been any kinder to more "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)"-type frivolity, when that's in short supply anywhere at top 40? Timberlake's retro-disco experiments ("Suit & Tie," "Take Back the Night") yielded only one undeniable smash hit in "Can't Stop the Feeling!" Those songs all lived in the shadow of "SexyBack" and how that song widened the definition of pop music more than a decade ago. But the reaction to "Filthy" shows that not everybody was ready for Timberlake to bring edgy back, either. Swift, in particular, is facing the difficulty of pleasing everybody. After Reputation, it was possible to hear from people both that she had too thoroughly repudiated "the old Taylor" and that the new album wasn't different enough from 1989 and previous projects. It's worth considering that the moody, downtempo EDM sound that Swift helped bring into the pop mainstream is still paying off for other artists; Halsey's "Bad at Love" is both a sonic and conceptual successor. Multiple Tracks Send Mixed Signals: For years, it was a common strategy to release a second radio single just as an album reached street date. It sent the word that this was an album with depth, and one worth purchasing. Swift took that further by releasing multiple tracks in advance of her albums. In doing so, she was protected by radio's general lack of enterprise on anything not promoted to it. Radio in New Zealand played 1989's "Out of the Woods" as a pre-release track; American radio waited until it became a single 15 months later and then showed middling interest. The difference this time was radio's lack of long-term love for "Look What You Made Me Do." That allowed quick follow-up "…Ready for It?" to live a chart life of its own, and emboldened some PDs to back off the first single. "Gorgeous" muddled things further. Then as the focus switched to "End Game" (featuring Ed Sheeran and Future), word spread among programmers that "…Ready for It?" was starting to show research stories. Even "Look What You Made Me Do" now has some research stories, possibly because listeners didn't get to hear it very long in the first place. It was similar for Timberlake. As radio grappled with "Filthy," suddenly there was "Supplies" at rhythmic radio. Then "Say Something," which gave pop programmers the further confidence to cut bait on "Filthy." Katy Perry had gone through three Pop Songs entries by the time Witness was released. Last time around, the pre-release tracks had included "Dark Horse," which later took hold as the real hit from PRISM (other than "Roar"; both topped the Billboard Hot 100 and Pop Songs). This time, it created a sense that an act was scrambling. In the early '00s, it occasionally happened that an artist, after a disappointing kickoff single, would put a project on hold for six months. (It happened more than once that "internet leaks" were blamed.) That gave Usher a chance to put the largely unsuccessful "Pop Ya Collar" behind him and start fresh with "U Remind Me." It's also worth noting that despite the middling reaction to Justin Bieber's fall 2017 team-up with BloodPop "Friends," his hitmaker status isn't part of this discussion, in part because there were no other singles on its heels. Are First-Day Premieres Hurting? They were radio's way of trying to hold on to the music discovery mantle as well as publicize its "artist initiatives" in conjunction with record labels. But does hearing a new single hourly on the first day of release diminish, rather than amp up its excitement? Does it allow listeners to decide they don't like a song before they've had a chance to live with it? It might sound odd to think of any song as high-concept as "Look What You Made Me Do" as a song that needed a chance to grow on listeners. But it did, in fact, develop at least a few research stories after running its course. By comparison, consider Maroon 5's "Wait." It's been over six years since "Moves Like Jagger" (featuring Christina Aguilera) propelled the band back to pop image artist status. A new Maroon 5 song could be either a consensus hit like "Don't Wanna Know" or a near-miss like "Cold" (top 10 on Pop Songs, but not a true power). "Wait" is up to No. 12 so far on Pop Songs; however far it goes at this point, it seems like a perfect example of an unassuming song that needed to grow on listeners; it did not get a first-day premiere at radio, and it might be better off for it. Radio Still Wants to Play These Acts: Of the acts under discussion, there's seemingly nobody that radio doesn't want to play. That's why they get first-day premieres. Top 40 resisted Lady Gaga's sonic stretches with "Perfect Illusion" and "Million Reasons." But major-market top 40 jumped eagerly at "The Cure," more clearly an attempt to give radio the type of song it favors now. And even though that didn't ultimately become a consensus hit either, some stations like WHTZ (Z100) New York held on to "The Cure" long enough for it to become a hit well after its chart peak. For many artists, the moment of truth is the first single from the next project. The right song can regain momentum from a middling project quickly, as demonstrated by recent rebounds by Imagine Dragons and now, arguably, Meghan Trainor. Top 40 can certainly reach the point where it is unwilling to fairly consider even the best, freshest-sounding single from certain established acts. It seems unlikely that any of the acts in question is anywhere near that point yet. But the answer is different depending exactly where an act is on a chart trajectory -- are they following up one disappointing project? Or several? And a veteran with a mixed chart record might get consideration on the first single from a project, but not follow-ups. Swift, in particular, has shown a talent for reinventing her sound. The moment when "Mine" sounded like a less exciting iteration of "Love Story" and "Today Was a Fairytale" bordered on self-parody was long forgotten after "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together." What she should do next is more of a question mark than her ability to do it. (Almost) Nobody Retires Undefeated: Assuming they live a long and happy life, there is almost no hit-making artist that will be an automatic add at top 40 radio (or any other format) through the end of their career. It's an unfair burden on any contemporary act to expect them to do what Madonna, Elton John, Prince, Michael Jackson, the Rolling Stones and Elvis Presley did not. A few acts -- the Beatles, the Eagles -- have broken up at a time when they were still having hits each time out. In those cases, we got to see solo members -- Paul McCartney or Don Henley -- have a typical radio arc. That said, to speculate now on how long an act currently at the top of the charts has isn't fair either -- each new song is another chance to extend the hit streak. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8307587/veteran-pop-acts-struggle-airplay-radio-charts-column
  14. Just thought this was interesting as we not only discuss this in relation to Madonna but all acts.....especially in the Pop Princesses forum. Personally, I feel like part of the problem is due to everyone's non-existent attention span in this day and age, songs don't have time to naturally "build" as they used to. If they don't smash after a week, it's a "flop" and tossed aside. It's hard to come back from that with any subsequent singles because the whole era is tarnished by this perceived "flop". When I first saw part of the headline to this article, I anticipated it would be about acts like Madonna, Mariah etc........but no, Justin, Katy and Gaga are apparently now the "veteran artists".
  15. So strange at this stage in their careers. There was talk that this upcoming tour was to be their "farewell tour". I just can't imagine a Fleetwood Mac "farewell tour" that doesn't have the five "Fireflies" together. Looking at the FM boards, the fans are absolutely outraged.....naturally, everyone is quick to blame Stevie but nobody REALLY seems to know what went down. This band has been straight drama from day one....lol.....even pre-Stevie/Lindsey it was drama filled. I like both Neil and Mike within Split Enz, Crowded House and The Heartbreakers, so much talent....but they just aren't Fleetwood Mac! It's quite telling that they need not one, but two musicians to fill Lindsey's shoes....it was the same when they toured in '87 without him too. That pretty much says it all. Unlike '87 though, taking 10 yrs to "cool off" kinda isn't an option this time.
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    Performance vs Performance

    Holy Water (RHT) vs Deeper and Deeper (GS)
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    Another day. Another mass shooting in America.

    This right here. It's sickening but oh so true.
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    Grammys

    Thank u!
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    Grammys

    Hillary was the highlight....lol Really, I didn't watch any of it so I have no idea. I never tune in anymore unless Madonna is on.....even then, I just watch her performance online and screw the rest of it. I'm sure they've ALWAYS been political, fake, bought and no reflection of talent but more a reflection of what record company is willing to pay the most for their artists award BUT it seems like it has gotten worse in recent years. To think that Milli Vanilli (who I did like at the time) won a Grammy the same year Madonna didn't even get a sympathy nom for arguably the most critically acclaimed album of her career.
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    songs with a KILLER beat

    Yes!!! I totally forgot about that Simply Red song! They did a great job with that sample! I've always loved Hall & Oates too.....takes me straight back to childhood for sure. They always have such great beats in their songs. They came with the hits!! Honestly, I've never dug deep into their album tracks but their singles from Sara Smile to Rich Girl to She's Gone to You Make My Dreams to Maneater etc etc.....really all the way up to Method Of Modern Love, I love almost all the singles.....they kinda lost me after that though. Got a little too AC (although I may not turn Everything Your Heart Desires when it comes on). I feel like they lost some of that funky edge though once the late 80's rolled around. Oh and I've always loved this extended mix of Maneater...... I'm so old....I miss these basic ass, extended mixes.....I don't need all the extra shit....just a slightly altered extended mix of the original and I'm good.
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    songs with a KILLER beat

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    songs with a KILLER beat

    Not sure if this is too slow but I've always loved the beat on this song.....kinda ahead of it's time for 1981....
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    Justin Timberlake thread

    Why does it feel like every song by everyone (except Ed Sheerhan of course) is labeled flop these days?? Katy- FLOP Taylor- FLOP Britney- FLOP Gaga- FLOP Beyonce- FLOP I even saw Adele called FLOP because 25 didn't quite have the staying power of 21.....now we have FLOP Justin. Are all these things really flops or is a hit not as easily and simply defined as it once was??
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    North Korea

    And when these boys finally pull their "buttons" out and determine which one is bigger, they'll be in safe havens.....meanwhile we'll all be j But hey.....at least someone will know who has the bigger "button" then right? Then all will be right in the world I'm guessing? What IS the point of all this anyways?? This is precisely why we needed a female in office. She's not worried about the size of her "button" AND she has the ability to string two sentences together too so that could've helped instead of having a fame hungry D-list reality star, Twitter troll at the helm.
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