Ai Papi Si.
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The rock n roll bands are more about the fans anyway, not the stones but Madonna is just GREEDY!!
It is. Like I said in response to Lori's post, I guess the intention is to just make it so that scalpers are obsolete, so that Madonna can profit "fairly." Which, no matter how you spin it, is excessive and greedy. Especially considering how much money Madonna makes when she tours. I think it's pretty irritating. But I guess it'll just be another hard pill to swallow in the daily spin of Madonna fandom.
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Nine inch Cocks are not following that path also.
I bought tickets for Nine Inch Nails hours ago actually. Trent wanted to purposefully bypass the scalper syndrome by doing presales on his own website and doing ID'd tickets. It appears like it worked well (despite a bunch of glitches) and I was really happy he did that. He's been very much about his fans in this avenue, but he's obviously not a mammoth touring act. Madonna is a machine and Madonna wants dough. Simple as. I guess it's up to every fan to take it or leave it.
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Lori your post musta been on the last page so I can't quote it (too lazy), I was gonna say that it's the first one that's made total sense so far. I hope that's what the intention is ultimately, for this business to prosper in that manner, which still might be slimeball on paper but ultimately fair because the artist will be the only person netting profits on tickets. I guess that's a good way to look at it - but it's still excessive and greedy. lol
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Why bother listing them publicly in the first place, then? Why not do a deal with another scalper offline?
All it would take would be for one person to fork out $2300 to cover all costs, then get 46 of their friends to give them $50 each and the scalpers are thwarted. Madonna then gets a cut and the scalpers dip out (the ones who would have bought the 47 tickets).
I'd love to find a real world example of someone who would not only do this, but would find (and know) 47 people who would all enthusiastically be like "oh ma gaw, let me get out mah checkbook!"
Face it. None of us know what is going on. All we know is that Madonna's business moves are getting more and more like that of someone in the sunset of their career and if she's gonna become a Rolling Stones-ish touring act then I'm really not prepared to shell out all that money and energy to see Madonna shake her ass in a stadium! And this partnership with Stubhub just kills my motivation even more. It's like it's all about the bread with her now. I've seen the woman 3 times on tour and I'd consider them by far the most cherished memories for me as a fan. But this time I just can't help but feel like Madonna would rather have my money than my mere presence at her big kaboom of a concert. Anyway. I'll wait for Guy or Liz to tell us what's up.
I didnt know she stored her money inside Mariah Carey!?That's Missy Piggy to you!
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A scalper will buy them and sell them for a massive profit.
Surely there are 47 people in NYC on this list - perfect excuse for a party - 47 people get into the concert for the price of about 7 people.
Don't you understand? This is a website by scalpers for scalpers. This particular deal will most likely sell to a another scalper who will then sell all 47 of those tickets for varying price. Who knows how those 47 tickets got into the original seller's hands in the first place. I can assure that hes probably not taking a loss on them despite what it looks like. This is the business Madonna is sticking her nose into.
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Yes, to receive profit from them....not to provide them with tickets.
Explain the Tina Turner tickets on sale, please
Seriously Carta, I don't think you're an asshole or anything, but give me a break. Madonna signing a contract with a highclass scalper website is just kind of tacky no matter how you spin it. Would you defend Madonna for making money off the guys on Ebay? It's the same thing. She's just looking for new ways to make sure everyone is putting money into her piggy bank and it just looks and sounds bizzare. Period.
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Floor 2, Row D, MSG, opening night in NYC, 47 tickets available for the exorbitant price of....
$43. Yes. Four three.
Yes, Stubhub is truly a ripoff....!
I wonder how many of you will be racing to grab one of those seats now?!
Right. Like someone really has a use for buying 47 fucking seats.
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As a career move, this is a fast-track way to becoming a true oldies act like the Rolling Stones.
She really is the new Mick Jagger. Oh well, at least she's in semi good company.
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Everything is the same as it was last time for the CT. Tickets go on sale, as per usual, the re-sale outlets buy tickets just like everyone else does, as per usual, then regular fans who couldn't get great tickets through Ticketmaster look at stubub.com and decide if they're prepared to pay extra for good seats, as per usual. The difference this time is that instead of the re-sellers making a heap of money on the tickets, Madonna gets some of that money. There's no special deal for stubhub to get all the great tickets so that fans are forced to use them - nothing has changed as far as buying tickets for concerts is concerned (everyone still has to try their luck through Ticketmaster or in the pre-sales). What *has* changed, though, is that Madonna earns some of the money that she would have lost normally through sales at such sites.
As someone who has actually used stubhub in the past, I'm actually glad that some of the extra money I'm prepared to pay for a great ticket will go back to Madonna. Fans are going to use those sites anyway, so why shouldn't Madonna and other artists see some of the profit? If someone has a rare Madonna record up for sale for a huge amount of money, if someone's prepared to pay that amount, would it be wrong for Madonna to see some of that profit? It's all about supply and demand.
I'd be upset if all of the best tickets were allocated to stubhub, but that's not the way the deal's going to work. The industry would collapse in a heap it it were.
Take a look at stubhub and explain to me how some of these to die for seats ended up on that website weeks before the presale. That makes no sense. The site evidently has thousands up for sale and those are seats that should have been allocated to Ticketmaster so one of US could have bought it fair and square.
All this economical bullshit aside, the woman was raking in the cash just fine in 2006 when she wasn't doing this monkey business. This Live Nation deal is bringing some new stuff to the table, and apparently a partnership with Stubhub is part of it. I can't imagine that this includes some sort of exclusive ticket deal where she lets some of her tickets get handed off to stubhub before they even officially go onsale, of course allowing htem to be marked up to four times their actual value. Shady stuff. And yeah sure if I get proven wrong with hard facts or some quote from the horses mouth, then good, I don't wanna think of Madonna as a bitch who saps her fans. But it's sure looking like it. And everything you said just sounds sugarcoated and none of what we've read or seen points to something as altruistic as that. God, even if it WAS exactly like you said, Madonna shouldn't need to be making all this money off of some cheap business like this. That analogy you used for rare Madonna collectibles was ridiculous. Sure, she could do it if she wanted. It doesn't make it any less outrageous or money hungry. I still more or less think Madonna is worth the bank-breaking, but if this is how she's going to let her business run, allowing her BEST SEATS to sit on some stupid scalper site so that one of her fans forks over the extra bank (regardless of how much it is), then I'm not gonna sit here and defend her for it.
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I love how people think that the only option for them is to pay these prices when ticketmaster & other outlets haven't even but them on sale yet.
Talk about totally missing the point. Anyone who is SMART on this forum won't be paying any of those outrageous prices. She's going out of her way to make even more gobs of money than she already would if she toured like normal, and she's joining forces with the assholes who keep people like us from getting hte seats we want when they go onsale. And she's making money off of all their undeserved profit too. Re-read the thread if you don't understand why people are pissed with this woman.
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If people don't wanna pay thousands of dollars for Madonna they won't. Personally I just have a problem with her intentionally going to a business like stubhub, giving them a handful of great seats before even her FANCLUB PRESALE starts, and running some of them at over 1,000 a pop. Ridiculous. She's turning into a megalomaniac and she's ripping off her fans majorly. And I don't think it's gonna work. And don't give me this business bullshit. Anyone with a brain could come up with an idea like this, making money off the guys who rip off your fans. It's not savvy. It's slimeball.It's not bullshit, it's a true story.
If you go to stubhub and look at the shows that she starts in the early part of her tour its obvious that she or her people have given stubhub or the scalpers a large portion of the best seats, its as simple as that. How else would they get their hands on the best seats in the house before even pre-sale?YUCK.
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I think it's genius! GREAT buisness move. If you don't want to pay to see her than don't! OTHERS WILL! If the demand is there she can afford to loss of few pissy fans. Save up some more or just get a seat that is 200 dollars or even 55! NO ONE IS MAKING YOU BUY FRONT ROW TICKETS! Enter a fan contest or join ICON! These same "hardcore" fans that are bitching probably don't even have ICON access which gives her fans GREAT CHANCES OF GETTING GREAT TIX! GET OVER IT!
Bullshit. All you're saying is that we can get our tickets elsewhere. Of course we can. I knew people were gonna spin this into something like "well she should be making the money off of them anyway!" No. Basically she's saying that if people are gonna make profits out of selling her tickets at a higher price to desperate fans, then she's game for joining forces with them. Stupid and crazy.
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Its on her official site::
www.stubhub.com: StubHub is the official fan-to-fan ticket marketplace for Madonna's North American Tour 2008.* StubHub is the world's largest ticket marketplace enabling fans to buy and sell tickets to a vast selection of nearly 30,000 sports, concert theatres and other live entertainment events. StubHub reinvented the ticket resale market in 2000 and continues to lead through innovation. The company's unique online marketplace, dedicated solely to tickets, provides all fans the choice to buy or sell their tickets in a safe, convenient and highly reliable environment. All transactions are processed and delivered via StubHub's patent-pending Fan Network (SM ticket delivery service, supported by seven-day toll free customer service at 1-866-STUBHUB and backed by an industry-first Fan Protect Guarantee. *Applicable for Sticky & Sweet shows in Canada & the U.S. (excluding Mexico)
Yuck. She's out of her mind.
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You know what the press and some fans are like:
MADONNA THE GREEDY BITCH CHARGETS INSANE PRICES. MADONNA STEALS FROM FANS. MADONNA USES PROFITS FROM GROSSLY OVERPRICED TOUR TO SET UP KABBALAH LAND. MADONNA CANT GET ENOUGH MONEY. MADONNA STEALING FROM PEOPLE WHO WILLINGLY PAY FOR TICKETS TO HER TOUR (AND THEN LOVE THE EXPERIENCE) AND BUYING DIAMOND AND PLATINUM CANE!!! MADONNA THE WHORE!!! JEEZ LOOK AT HER HANDS SHE SHOULD STEAL SOME MONEY AND GET HAND SURGERY THEN WE CAN CRITICISE HER FOR THAT TOO!!!
etc etc
Of course. But I see no reason for the fucking WALL STREET JOURNAL to run an outrageous story like this unless there was truth to it. The scope of the idea is just stupid and shitty no matter how its spinned. It's shocking really. We'll see.
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Surely the point is that there is a bit more security over scalped tickets? At least they are recorded and governed in some way. If you disagree with it, dont buy the tickets. Find a good ticket another way. It might not even be a decision of Madonnas to do this...don't forget this is her first tour where she is COMPLETELY under Live nation AND Live artist.
I suppose you have a point there. I really want to hear more details about this because it just sounds so tacky on paper. I mean Stubhub is basically Scalphub. It would be the same for any artist. Making money off scalpers just sounds stupid and slimey. If I buy the tickets I want to buy them standard price from Ticketmaster. I mean the entire reason people have trouble finding great seats on Ticketmaster (and I know firsthand how tough it is) is because of this kind of thing. For Madonna to make a buck off of it is just lame.
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Nah it might be a good business move on the monetary angle of things, but I think that's about it. The woman has enough money. She's basically endorsing the ripping off of her own fans who already have to pay $400 for good seats. It's a tacky and megalomaniacal move. She might get away with it this time, but when the legs close and the music slows down, it might be a different story. Personally I think it's a pretty ridiculous and bitchy thing to do. You can only be so aloof to the people who support you and buy your music. When you start making money off the guys who rip off desperate fans who want to see you... that just sounds like a greedy old bitch to me.
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I dunno about official but if all the New York publications are buzzing about it then I'd take it as something that's pretty close to reality. I don't really get why she'd do something this blatantly greedy and oily, so I hope it gets explained soon.
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Yeah this is pretty outrageous in my opinion. To actually endorse the ripping off of her fans. What a bitch.
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Dumb of her to keep skipping Australia. Hope she and her posse reconsiders.
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That's for a stadium though, so I'm not sure how it'll filter to arenas. It should be the same but you never know with this pricey bint...
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I want prices to be announced! Im scared.
From the Dolphins Stadium website:
Tickets for the Miami Concert will go on sale Saturday, May 31 , 10 AM. Tickets are $70.00, $120.00,
$195.00 and $390.00 offering a variety of excellent seats at all price levels
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It's really strange that Australia isn't even being talked about. Maybe it's going to be announced like Japan was.
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See, everyone's po'
Omg I totally forgot about Endelito, I think he's the one person in the world that I'm taller than...
Madonna Reinvents Herself As a Ticket-Scalping Profiteer
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What really confuses me is why Madonna would want to do this in the first place. Yeah, I get the semantics of the whole thing, but it still seems like such a cash-cow move. I think it's been made pretty clear that it's not going to really affect us as fans. Fine. I don't think that's what's bothering all the people in this thread anymore. It's still irritating that Madonna would so brazenly be like "oh, my tickets are being marked up over here...that's not right, give me a piece of that." It's just extra money for her and considering that some of us in here could be paying upwards of $400 just to see this woman without squinting, we can't help but feel like it's our money that she loves, not our dedication.