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Madonna technology are the curtains of nowadays. She can recreate anything with those big screens and I think she uses them correctly, the projections aren't too simple (like a window screensaver) but also not too distracting. Most of the time they only set the mood for the song. However, there are a few exceptions like Express Yourself in MDNA Tour where the message on the screens is stronger.
Some people here also forget that the experience is very different when you are in front row compared to the seats at the back of an arena or stadium. For example, when I went with my friends to see the MDNA tour, some of us were in front row whereas the others were at the back. When it finished, the opinion about Like a Virgin couldn't be more different. We thought that it was one of the most touching moments of the concert, whereas the other group thought that it was one of the most boring because they could hardly see anything. Obviously, when the DVD was released they appreciated it and changed their mind, but that was only when they finally got to see it properly. What I mean is that people don't pay 200 euros to see nothing. Even rock/pop bands whose music is supposed to be the priority use big stages with lots of technology. U2, Coldplay or Muse are great examples.
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I totally agree with VogueMusic, Madonna shows are so sophisticated that it's not easy to change them. And when she does, it's always in the acoustic/intimate parts of the show when she doesn't use backdrops, dancers and light programming and has time to include her traditional speech (for example: You'll see/Gone in DWT, Girl from Ipanema in GS, Don't cry for me Argentina in S&S, Holiday/Love Spent in MDNA...). I think she will be able to repeat this pattern in the future, but I don't expect dramatical changes in the setlist during a tour.
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Re: S&S's legacy: I have to agree with Karbatal. If you go out on the street and ask people if they've heard of the Blond Ambition Tour or even the Drowned World Tour, I'm sure they would know what you were referring to. But Sticky & Sweet? Hardly. Part of the reason M's tours do so well now is because the prices are astronomical and fans go to see her over and over, often in multiple cities. Not trying to diminish her accomplishment. She's still one of the greatest stage performers of our time and if people are willing to pay that price for tickets, she deserves it. However, some of you are overstating the reach/impact of a Madonna tour these days.
You can't be serious. That's like complaining about Paul McCartney "milking" the Beatles' fame and legacy.
Yeah, you're trying to diminish her accomplishments. What else does she have to do to match your expectations about her tours?
The same arguments can be said about ANY artist with a certain level of success and longevity. Some of my friends are huge fans of rock bands (Muse, U2, AC/DC, Rolling, Springsteen, etc) and every time they have done a tour in Spain, they go to every possible date. This behaviour is not exclusive to Madonna fans.
The important fact is that Madonna is the only artist out there that can put those extremely high prices and she can fill arenas and stadiums quite easily all over the world. If the rest don't do the same, it's because they simply CAN'T.
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I guess she didn't sing it in full because she felt the rest of the lyrics didn't really go with the section.
I completely agree with you, in the tour the song is not about a pregnant teenager, it's about a problem with a man. The first verse fits perfectly between gang bang and hung up, the rest doesn't.
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What's the problem with the "sold outs"??? It's a relative concept that depends on the size of the venue and the expected attendance. If they say that a show is sold out, it means that they have met their expectations, that's all. That doesn't mean that the stadium has to be packed.
I also think that the term "sold out" is good for promotion but doesn't indicate anything, it's like saying that your album is #1: looks good on paper, but if the following week you are out of the top 40, it's a disaster.
As long as the attendance and the revenues are healthy, I don't see a problem. It's normal. It's her fifth tour in 12 years and she has saturated the european market. Selling big stadiums at top prices cannot last forever. It's normal to find some empty sections here and there. And I'm sure they still prefer stadiums with some empty sections than packed arenas.
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I´m in Bilbao.I don´t have anything against madrid or Barcelona ( well, madrid doesn´t have a good arena, Palacio de los deportes doesn´t have a good sound), but maybe if she tries a new city more people would be interested...anyways, you are right, it´s easy to go to madrid from all spain, and I guess Barcelona has spain+ part of France...
El Palacio de los Deportes has a good acoustic, the artist is the problem.
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First, the show was perfect! Beautiful Killer and Je t'aime (moi non plus) should be added to the tour!
Second, I think some fans here are also overreacting. Insult a whole continent with things like "Fuck Europe!" are as horrible as the insults that some people said after the concert.
Third, don't protect Madonna because in this situation she is not 100% innocent. She has not been very generous with this concert, she has used the money from the fans to pay the broadcast and to rent the theatre and in addition she gets international promotion for free. 200 € for 8 songs is just too much. She could have added Nobody knows me, I'm a sinner and Like a prayer. She does not need additional rehearsals to do that and we wouldn't have seen these reactions.
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Some of you will never be happy...
I think this table says it all. She's still one of the biggest touring forces.
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So they could hire a stadium that holds 100,000 say they expect to sell 1000 and if they sell 1000 they can say it's a sell out?
This is an exaggerated example and not realistic. But of course, if they obtain benefits selling those 1000 tickets, they can hire whatever they want.
These boxscore numbers are the expected attendance, that's all. They are not equal to the maximum capacity, they represent the expected benefits. These are their rules. You can like them or not, but they are what they are. Debating them is as useless as debating whether the gold certificate should be 400.000 copies instead of 500.000. It's only a reference.
And let's not forget that the contrary might happen. It is not the first time that the attendance reported by the media is superior to the numbers included in the boxscores.
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I think that review was very objective and quite honest but.....this tour is called the MDNA Tour so ur gonna get songs from MDNA
No, that review was not objective at all. Madonna tours have always been the same: a mix of new songs, some reinvented hits and a pair of rarities. The MDNA tour sticks to this formula. That is the objective truth. If the critic doesn't like it, it's his problem, not Madonna's. She is selling the same formula all the time.
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It is also important to say something very obvious: the younger generation might feel indiference for her right now, but that doesn't meant that when they grow up, they won't discover her and start appreciating her work. This is what happened to me with many "old" groups and singers, I was too young and was discovering the music, and I started listening the obvious choices: the things that sounded in the radio and in the MTV. As I grew up, I started listening to more alternative music and discovering older acts.
We must accept that she is going to enter the league of older and classic acts that release albums that only interest to her fanbase but still manage to sell out tours (U2, Rollings, Elton...). However, I also think that she can still score hits, like Cher, Elton or Tom Jones did in the past.
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I understand your point and I also think that she needs to reconnect with the general public with a wonderful album and tour, but in spite of all the bad press, I truly believe that she is still respected and loved as an artist. Madonna the person is receiving bad press, but her body of work is untouchable. As soon as she comes back in top form, all this backlash will be forgotten.
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I think that this backlash (if there is any), has more to do with the fans than with the general public perception.
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Yes, we all know that she struggled to sell tickets in some cities of the second european leg, specially in Spain. But that doesn't mean that she would have problems with a greatest hits tour. She can visit less cities in Europe and focus on Asia, Australia and America.
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I dont see how the MOST PEOPLE WONT NOTICE is an argument people use. The mistakes are STILL THERE. Just because most people will listen to Celebration twice and then chuck it aside for the newest Journey compilation doesnt make them go away.
Something exists if you know that it exists. If Mattress hadn't opened this post... would you have detected ALL the "mistakes"? Absolutely NOT. That's my point. Celebration has been overanalysed. You have to saturate the loudspeakers to hear some of these "mistakes". And even with headphones and maximum volume, I can't notice the American Life ending. And the problems with Express Yourself, Dress you up, Cherish and some others, it's just a question of taste. Do you really think that all fans and casual buyers know every single edition of Express Yourself???? Some friends have listened to this track and they have noticed that it's different, but they don't think it's horrendous.
However, I agree that Erotica should have been edited better and the clicks in Music are horrendous.
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Justify My Love also has a GLITCH when she says "Tell me your stories" they have increased the volume too much and the result is distortion on the track!
I can't hear that. Maybe you should lower the volume of your speakers!
Mattress, I don't know what are you listening to, but my copy does not have some of the things you describe. For example, Hollywood does not have the fading out of American Life. Die another day and Don't tell me are well edited.
And I don't find so horrendous the changes to the other songs (Express Yourself, Dress you up...). We know these songs so well that we detect every single modification, but it's not THAT bad. It's just DIFFERENT.
You're creating a very big and negative buzz about something that "normal" fans would not have noticed. It's like finding a man with a clock in Spartacus and declaring that it's the worst film ever just because of that.
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Well of course it also helped that it was the closest thing to HU on the album in terms of songwriting/theme and the video was a direct follow up. I'm just saying using the argument that it was #1 because it was "good" is delusional. Same thing when GI2M and now "Celebration" is called "not good enough" because they fail to reach expectations on charts, ignoring the factors and circumstances.
About the curse thing, I'm not sure how Midweeks worked in 1998-99 but wasn't it the same case with "Ray Of Light" & "Beautiful Stranger"?
It's also desilusional to think that Sorry went to #1 just because promotion and timing were good. People liked the song! On the other hand, Give it 2 me and Celebration have generated more mixed opinions.
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It can fall. When it comes to 1st week sales of Madonna singles they always sell better at the beginning of the week. Many of her singles are lower on sunday chart than in midweek predictions. Sad example is American Life, which ended up at #2 after topping the midweeks all over the week.
We can't compare this to previous singles. As debord said, digital sales and physical sales evolve differently. If nothing strange happens, I think that the single will keep rising on iTunes as more and more people realise that the single is available.
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^That's just your taste, both HU and S can be considered just as generic as "Celebration". Not to mention that "Sorry" went to #1 only because it came after a massive #1 and basically anything from COADF could have went to the top on that February week.
And like I said, "generic" is not even an argument when the UK has the likes of Basshunter, Scooter and Freemasons topping the charts. I understand for YOU "Celebration" is way below anything on COADF but that has little to do with mainstream appeal.
You're right that singles can last longer, but actually because of that peaks are lower. GI2M is the perfect example, it was in the top 20 for several weeks and between HC and its own release, it never left the top 100. I think the chart run of "Celebration" and "Revolver" will put the supposed "disappointment" of GI2M in perspective.
Well, this same argument can be used against you, because it's your taste and your perception of things what leads you to think that Celebration is equal to Hung Up and Sorry.
All I can say is that here in Spain, Hung Up and Sorry were everywhere and everyone went mad in the discos. This doesn't happen with Celebration.
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Hung Up and Sorry are way better than Celebration. Equalling all these three tracks is extremely simplistic. The songs of COADF are way more sophisticated than Celebration, and they sounded fresh. Celebration is too generic. Good, but generic.
And I agree with you that chart positions also has to do with promo. The video for Hung Up was iconic, the photoshoot too. And she supported the single by performing it in several programs.
I also think that Celebration could also give us some surprises. In the digital era, the singles can last longer and have different peaks. Only fans know that the single was out this week. If the airplay increases and Warners do some promo next week, many casual buyers might discover the song in the following days and weeks. Maybe a #1 single is something dificcult to get, but it could have a nice chart run with several weeks in the top 10.
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I think Madonna has been in automatic mode during 2008-2009. Most of you talk as if she had lost the inspiration, but it seems like she simply has reduced the complexity of her music on purpose because that was the spirit she wanted for this Hard Candy/Sticky & Sweet/Celebration era. She doesn't need to take a break, she simply has to take a new direction. And that is what she always does!
Celebration is a decent single, but it's nowhere near her biggest hits. It's promoting the album, and that's more than what we had for GHV2. Let's hope she gets top 5 or even top 3 easily!
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No, she doesn't need a new manager. She has had a successful album (+3.5 millions sold), a hit single (4 Minutes) and one of the biggest tours ever.
The only problem I see here is that people is saturated with the "let's go party" concept. She hasn't run out of ideas, it's simply another era, a recurrent theme. She had many other in the past (violence, fame-is-not-important, sex, spirituality, ballads...) and you should remember that many of you were saturated and complained about them. But now, they are long gone. And this one will also end, probably with the next album.
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Why should she take a break? I don't think she is no longer creative and relevant. She is simply having fun! It was incredible to see her so happy during this tour! She is enjoying it. And the same goes for Celebration... she doesn't want to have the finger on the pulse all the time!! I'm sure that for the next album, all of you will eat your words!
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I can't believe the criticism of some pleople here. Celebration contains about 30 obvious hits... what's the problem if they include 3-4 tracks due to sentimental purposes or because they are classic tracks that almost all the fans love??????
And let's not forget that the world is something more than the UK and the USA. Hollywood and Sorry were big hits in several european countries, as well as Miles Away in Japan. I don't think those tracks are out of place.
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I really hope that this time they prepare a schedule similar to the Music era: tour after 9 months of promotion. All this year dedicated to performances, videos, interviews, magazines. Tour rehearsals in autumn and Australian tour in january/february, followed by an american/european tour during spring and summer. That would make a lot of sense.